In this episode, we talk in a bit more honest detail about clinician burnout and the role electronic health records are playing in taking the joy out of health care for some professionals, and in the case of some patients, making it completely unclear what is changing with their own health.

For those of you who are regular listeners to this podcast, you’ll recall that our last episode focused on the issue of women in health. We’re joined by that team again.

• Allison McCoy is an assistant  professor of biomedical informatics at VUMC, 

We had two other special guests on this episode:

• Sarah Collins Rossetti  Assistant Professor of Biomedical Informatics and Nursing, Columbia University

You can find more music from Suzie Brown here:  https://www.suziebrownsongs.com/

You can find out more information about the 25 x 5 effort here: https://www.dbmi.columbia.edu/25x5/

You can find out more about Clickbusters here:  https://www.vumc.org/vclic/clickbusters