From all of us at Cloud Realities, MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!! 

Back in our December 2022 Christmas special, we explored the far reaches of reality, asking whether we live in a simulation and if that even matters. Now, we return to that question with fresh perspectives and new challenges…

In this last Cloud Realities podcast of 2025, Dave, Esmee and Rob return to the simulation with Anders Indset, philosopher, author, and long-time friend of the show, revisiting a question that’s been quietly running underneath everything we’ve discussed since 2022: If reality itself is information and what does that mean for being human?

TLDR:

00:58 – It’s Christmas!
08:32 – Major announcement and reflections on the Cloud Realities podcast journey
15:32 – Celebrating three big wins: B2B Marketing Awards (Best Content, Best Customer Retention) and The Drum (Best Creative Audio)
22:55 – Is there a next thing?
23:30 – Welcoming Anders Indset, who shares his vision for practical philosophy and the future of human/AI co-evolution
32:02 – Exploring the Quantum Economy and the Singularity Paradox
58:10 – Deep dive into the Simulation Hypothesis, revisiting the 2022 discussion and Rob is again confused...
01:27:45 – Anders enjoying Christmas in the Norwegian wilderness
01:29:40 – Edit point

Guest

Anders Indset: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andersindset/ or andersindset.com

Additional information: thequantumeconomy.com and tomorrowmensch.com

Hosts

Dave Chapmanger: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/

Esmee van de Gluhwein: https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/

Rob Snowmananahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/

Production

Dr Mike van Der Buabbles: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/

Dave Chapmanger: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/

Sound

Ben Jingle: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/

Louis Snow:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/

'Cloud Realities' is an original podcast from Capgemini

In this last episode of the special AI mini-series, we now explore the human side of transformation, where technology meets purpose and people remain at the center. From future jobs and critical thinking to working with C-level leaders, how human intervention and high-quality data drive success in an AI-powered world.

This week Dave, Esmee , Rob sit down with Johanna Hutchinson, CDO at BAE systems about why data matters, the rise of Sovereign AI, and the skills shaping the intelligence age.

TLDR

00:55 Introduction of Johanna Hutchinson

02:09 Explaining the State of AI mini-series with Craig

06:01 Conversation with Johanna

34:20 Weaving today’s data tapestries with AI

40:20 Going to a rave

Guest

Johanna Hutchinson: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johanna-hutchinson-95b95568/

Hosts

Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/

Esmee van de Giessen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/

Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/

with co-host Craig Suckling: https://www.linkedin.com/in/craigsuckling/

Production

Marcel van der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/

Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/

Sound

Ben Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/

Louis Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/

'Cloud Realities' is an original podcast from Capgemini

AI is transforming software development—redefining roles, creativity, and community, while challenging developers to embrace ambiguity, orchestrate specialized agents, and stay human through empathy and curiosity. Will AI make developers more creative, or will we forget how the machine really works under the hood?

This week Dave, Esmee , Rob sit down with Scott Hanselman, VP Developer Community at Microsoft for a wildly energetic, deeply human, and brilliantly practical conversation about how AI is reshaping software development and what that means for creativity, careers, and all industries.

 
TLDR

00:30 – Scott Hanselman introduced as a special guest from Microsoft Ignite 2025.

02:16 – Scott discusses how AI is fundamentally redesigning all industries.

09:50 – Don’t anthropomorphize AI, I want the computer from Star Trek!

15:30 – Delegation: contrasting the roles of humans and agents.

18:30 – The importance of supporting early career growth and learning.

26:30 – Why specificity matters in AI and coding.

35:30 – Making AI delightful and fun.

45:30 – Always put humans first in AI development.

46:00 – Each morning I think about lunch.

Guest

Scott Hanselman: https://www.hanselman.com/
The Hanselminutes Podcast: https://www.hanselman.com/podcasts with over 1025 podcasts!

Hosts

Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/

Esmee van de Giessen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/

Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/

Production

Marcel van der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/

Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/

Sound

Ben Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/

Louis Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/

'Cloud Realities' is an original podcast from Capgemini

Live from the iconic Venetian in Las Vegas, we’re rolling out an exclusive mini-series dedicated to AWS re:Invent 2025!

Tune in as we sit down with AWS visionaries and take the pulse of the industry on everything shaping the future, Cloud innovation, GenAI, Agents, and the hottest trends making waves.

And because what happens in Vegas doesn’t always stay in Vegas, we’ll spill the latest news, insider buzz, and a little Strip-side gossip to keep things spicy.

Dave, Esmee, and Rob wrap up their final AWS re:Invent 2025 conversation with Mustafa Isik, Chief Technologist for Sovereignty at AWS, discussing digital sovereignty and its growing regional importance. They close the event with reflections from Matthew Gillard, co-founder of Cuidado Connect and co-host of Cloud Dialogues, along with insights from the team.

TLDR

01:29 – Meet Mustafa Isik and hear his keynote highlights
04:05 – In-depth discussion with Mustafa
31:35 – Exploring the line between science fiction and science fact
36:26 – Introduction to Matthew Gillard
38:55 – Matt shares his re:Invent reflections from a developer’s perspective
52:12 – The team looks back on re:Invent 2025
1:00:02 – The team’s take on science fiction versus science fact
 

Guests

Mustafa Isik: https://www.linkedin.com/in/codesurgeon/

Matt Gillard: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattgillard/ 
https://cloud-dialogues.com/

Hosts

Dave Chapman:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/

Esmee van de Giessen:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/

Rob Kernahan:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/

Production

Marcel van der Burg:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/

Dave Chapman:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/

Sound

Ben Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/

Louis Corbett:   https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/

'Cloud Realities' is an original podcast from Capgemini

Live from the iconic Venetian in Las Vegas, we’re rolling out an exclusive mini-series dedicated to AWS re:Invent 2025!

Tune in as we sit down with AWS visionaries and take the pulse of the industry on everything shaping the future, Cloud innovation, GenAI, Agents, and the hottest trends making waves.

And because what happens in Vegas doesn’t always stay in Vegas, we’ll spill the latest news, insider buzz, and a little Strip-side gossip to keep things spicy.

Dave, Esmee, and Rob continue their discussion with Scott Mullins, MD Financial Services at AWS, on how the sector is rapidly embracing cloud, AI, automation, and real-time data to drive agility and stay compliant.

TLDR

00:30 – Meet Scott Mullins and hear about his re:Invent experience
05:00 – Deep dive conversation with Scott
25:56 – Fiiction with The Jetsons

Guest

Scott Mullins: https://www.linkedin.com/in/escottmullins/

Hosts

Dave Chapman:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/

Esmee van de Giessen:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/

Rob Kernahan:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/

Production

Marcel van der Burg:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/

Dave Chapman:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/

Sound

Ben Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/

Louis Corbett:   https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/

'Cloud Realities' is an original podcast from Capgemini

Live from the iconic Venetian in Las Vegas, we’re rolling out an exclusive mini-series dedicated to AWS re:Invent 2025!

Tune in as we sit down with AWS visionaries and take the pulse of the industry on everything shaping the future, Cloud innovation, GenAI, Agents, and the hottest trends making waves.

And because what happens in Vegas doesn’t always stay in Vegas, we’ll spill the latest news, insider buzz, and a little Strip-side gossip to keep things spicy.

Dave, Esmee, and Rob bring a double-feature conversation on industry innovation—first with Rob Boetticher, Global Technology Leader for Automotive and Manufacturing, followed by Howard Gefen, GM of the Energy and Utilities Industry Business Unit at AWS.

TLDR

00:42 – Rob Boetticher & Howard Gefen introduced

02:00 – Rob’s keynote highlights

07:52 –  The future of automotive innovation with Rob

23:32 – Tech fiction examples

25:59 – Howard Gefen introduced

28:00 – Howard’s keynote highlights

31:04 – Howard on the future of Energy and Utilities

50:14 – Tech fiction examples

Guest

Rob Boetticher: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robert-boetticher/
Howard Gefen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hgefen/

Hosts

Dave Chapman:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/

Esmee van de Giessen:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/

Rob Kernahan:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/

Production

Marcel van der Burg:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/

Dave Chapman:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/

Sound

Ben Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/

Louis Corbett:   https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/

'Cloud Realities' is an original podcast from Capgemini

Live from the iconic Venetian in Las Vegas, we’re rolling out an exclusive mini-series dedicated to AWS re:Invent 2025!

Tune in as we sit down with AWS visionaries and take the pulse of the industry on everything shaping the future, Cloud innovation, GenAI, Agents, and the hottest trends making waves.

And because what happens in Vegas doesn’t always stay in Vegas, we’ll spill the latest news, insider buzz, and a little Strip-side gossip to keep things spicy.

Dave, Esmee, and Rob kick off their conversation with Tanuja Randery, Managing Director for Europe, the Middle East & Africa (EMEA), diving into cloud innovation and the call to re:Accelerate Europe.

TLDR

00:49 – Introduction to Tanuja Randery
03:29 – Keynote highlights with Tanuja and a deep-dive conversation
31:00 – Imaginary tech and Star Trek

Guest

Tanuja Randery: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tanuja-randery/

Hosts

Dave Chapman:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/

Esmee van de Giessen:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/

Rob Kernahan:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/

Production

Marcel van der Burg:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/

Dave Chapman:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/

Sound

Ben Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/

Louis Corbett:   https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/

'Cloud Realities' is an original podcast from Capgemini

Live from the iconic Venetian in Las Vegas, we’re rolling out an exclusive mini-series dedicated to AWS re:Invent 2025!

Tune in as we sit down with AWS visionaries and take the pulse of the industry on everything shaping the future, Cloud innovation, GenAI, Agents, and the hottest trends making waves.

And because what happens in Vegas doesn’t always stay in Vegas, we’ll spill the latest news, insider buzz, and a little Strip-side gossip to keep things spicy.

Dave, Esmee, and Rob continue their conversation with Tim Murnin, Head of Industry & Partner Strategy at AWS, exploring the evolving role of the CIO, adoption delays, and how trends vary across different sectors.

TLDR

00:36 – Welcome back with Tim Murnin and the team’s highlights from the AWS re:Invent 2025 keynote
08:04 – In-depth conversation with Tim, exploring key insights
32:05 – Where fact meets fiction, including a look at the flying car

Guest

Tim Murnin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/timmurnin/

Hosts

Dave Chapman:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/

Esmee van de Giessen:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/

Rob Kernahan:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/

Production

Marcel van der Burg:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/

Dave Chapman:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/

Sound

Ben Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/

Louis Corbett:   https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/

'Cloud Realities' is an original podcast from Capgemini

Live from the iconic Venetian in Las Vegas, we’re rolling out an exclusive mini-series dedicated to AWS re:Invent 2025!

Tune in as we sit down with AWS visionaries and take the pulse of the industry on everything shaping the future, Cloud innovation, GenAI, Agents, and the hottest trends making waves. And because what happens in Vegas doesn’t always stay in Vegas, we’ll spill the latest news, insider buzz, and a little Strip-side gossip to keep things spicy.

Dave, Esmee, and Rob start their conversation with Chandra Pinapala, Director Global Strategic Partners, to explore why strong partnerships are essential for success in Cloud and AI.

TLDR

00:40 – Back in Las Vegas with highlights from the AWS re:Invent 2025 keynote
12:07 – Meet Chandra Pinapala and dive deep into the conversation
35:10 – A playful leap into the world of fiction

Guest

Chandra Pinapala: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chandrapinapala/

Hosts

Dave Chapman:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/

Esmee van de Giessen:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/

Rob Kernahan:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/

Production

Marcel van der Burg:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/

Dave Chapman:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/

Sound

Ben Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/

Louis Corbett:   https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/

'Cloud Realities' is an original podcast from Capgemini

Accelerating cloud adoption to drive innovation across domains like space, identity, and naval systems presents unique challenges. Success depends on aligning organizational culture, governance, financial models, and regulatory frameworks to enable collaboration, scalability, and software-defined capabilities. 

This week, Dave, Esmee, and Rob speak with Danny Polaine, Chief Information Officer at Thales, about the strategic shift to cloud technologies in a high-security sector like defense and the unique challenges that come with it. 

TLDR:

00:52 – Introduction to Danny Polaine

03:35 – Rob is confused about the AI privacy dilemma

07:40 – Exploring tech in high-security sectors with Danny

35:34 – The biggest challenge isn’t tech, it’s people adapting to new ways of working

44:55 – Reflections on the CIO role and a fun story about singing waiters at a wedding

Guest 

Danny Polaine: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danny-polaine-5713454/?originalSubdomain=uk 

Hosts

Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/

Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/

Esmee van de Giessen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/

Production

Marcel van der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/

Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/

Sound

Ben Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/

Louis Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/

'Cloud Realities' is an original podcast from Capgemini