CMC Podcast

Many innovations in technical rescue have stemmed from the cold, wet, dark and challenging conditions of caves. These environments make for unique rescue scenarios that require creative solutions with minimal amounts of gear.

In this episode Doug McElmury hosts a roundtable discussion with Carrey Bull, Justin Wheaton, Tim White and Andy Armstrong about some of the unique challenges that cave rescue teams encounter like: communication, patient packaging, equipment, navigation and training.

Notes:

0:08 Introductions with Tim White, Andy Armstrong, Carrey Bull and Justin Wheaton.

5:10 What are the different types of caves and specific challenges that come with those in guests region?

18:45 What are the different methods you have to communicate underground.

23:10 What are some of the different methods of patient packaging you use?

33:56 What are your go-to pieces of equipment in cave rescue?

48:08 How do you navigate underground in a cave?

50:55 What is the NCRC? (National Cave Rescue Commission of the National Speleological Society)

Links:

www.NCRC.info 

The MABAS Divisions 4 & 5 Specialized Response Teams (SRT) works with its over 40 member fire departments across northeastern Illinois to coordinate specialized response services to protect the health and safety of the public. Teams are trained to respond to a wide range of emergencies such as hazardous materials releases, structural collapses, rope, confined space or trench rescues, water rescues and/or recoveries as well as wildland fires. In this episode CMC School instructor Doug McElmury discusses the details of this coordinated effort with Christina Loomis, the Administrative Coordinator.

Notes:

0:24 Introduction

1:36 What is MABAS Division 4 & 5 SRT?

3:34 Brief history of the SRT team.

4:50 What are the disciplines covered?

5:50 How does the governance board work?

8:50 What is your position responsible for as the Administrative Coordinator?

11:40 How do you maintain uniformity of training?

14:15 What are your other responsibilities?

15:15 What were your initial goals when you were hired?

18:33 What is covered in your strategic 5 year plan?

21:00 Process of switching from 1/2in to 11mm rope?

25:10 How is your position funded?

28:39 What's in the future for MABAS Division 4 & 5 SRT?

30:27 Closing thoughts

Links:

https://srtillinois.org/

We apologize for some background chatter in the first several minutes of this episode. It is cleared up after 5:30

1:35 Standards as they relate to the MRA.

15:30 To prepare for accreditation and make sure teams mission ready, what types of training does the MRA offer?

23:38 What was/is MRA's role in NATRS (North American Technical Rescue Symposium) which is now ITRS?

31:38 How is MRA involved with ICAR (International Commission of Alpine Rescue)?

37:55 Closing statements.

Links:

MRA website: https://mra.org/

MRA Mission Database: https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/6b84b11fc6eb495ea518ee964b79f712/

MRA Education Basecamp: http://training.mra.org/

YouTube Channel // MRA Third Thursdays: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr2Fnsp_xZ6OrcKQgQRX2Pg

MRA Annual Spring Conference: https://mraconference.org/

Important Warning

• Many of the activities discussed in this podcast pose a very substantial risk of serious injury or death.
• Products and techniques discussed in this podcast are intended for use by specially trained professionals.
• Technical rescue, rappelling, climbing and the training involved are very hazardous activities. Each situation has its own unique conditions and must be evaluated by those present. Effective risk management comes from experience, proper training and good personal judgment.
• CMC is not liable for any damages arising from abuse or improper use of the techniques or equipment discussed in this podcast.
• Topics discussed are the ideas and opinions of each individual.
• Department protocol and regulations should always take precedence.

0:23 Chris Boyer introduction

1:12 John McKently introduction

2:35 Standards, training, certification.

16:00 Examples of how NASAR builds educational content

20:53 How do you select who your trainers and evaluators are going to be?

38:52 Has new technology driven change in the lifecycle of certification?

40:20 Hug-a-tree NASAR general public education.

Links:

www.NASAR.org

Important Warning

• Many of the activities discussed in this podcast pose a very substantial risk of serious injury or death.
• Products and techniques discussed in this podcast are intended for use by specially trained professionals.
• Technical rescue, rappelling, climbing and the training involved are very hazardous activities. Each situation has its own unique conditions and must be evaluated by those present. Effective risk management comes from experience, proper training and good personal judgment.
• CMC is not liable for any damages arising from abuse or improper use of the techniques or equipment discussed in this podcast.
• Topics discussed are the ideas and opinions of each individual.
• Department protocol and regulations should always take precedence.

0:24 Doug McCall Introduction

2:09 Monty Bell Introduction

3:51 John McKently Introduction

5:20 History of the MRA

10:45 What is the accreditation process for the MRA?

18:27 Reaccreditation

19:40 What training opportunities are offered through the MRA?

23:40 California reaccreditation

31:17 MRA statistics program

38:35 MRA Basecamp online outdoor education

42:37 Medical protocols

45:37 Medical communication resources

46:55 What's next for the future of the MRA?

54:35 Closing thoughts

Links:

MRA website: https://mra.org/

MRA Mission Database: https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/6b84b11fc6eb495ea518ee964b79f712/

MRA Education Basecamp: http://training.mra.org/

YouTube Channel // MRA Third Thursdays: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr2Fnsp_xZ6OrcKQgQRX2Pg

MRA Annual Spring Conference: https://mraconference.org/

Important Warning

• Many of the activities discussed in this podcast pose a very substantial risk of serious injury or death.
• Products and techniques discussed in this podcast are intended for use by specially trained professionals.
• Technical rescue, rappelling, climbing and the training involved are very hazardous activities. Each situation has its own unique conditions and must be evaluated by those present. Effective risk management comes from experience, proper training and good personal judgment.
• CMC is not liable for any damages arising from abuse or improper use of the techniques or equipment discussed in this podcast.
• Topics discussed are the ideas and opinions of each individual.
• Department protocol and regulations should always take precedence.

0:20 NASAR Executive Director Chris Boyer introduction.

1:37 John McKently introduction and involvement with NASAR.

3:54 What does search look like in the US today?

7:57 How did NASAR get started?

10:54 When did the organization start expanding eastward?

13:42 Are there any states that put SAR in the hands of fire from a legislation standpoint?

18:28 What's the difference between SAR and USAR?

25:19 Mass rescue operations and wide area search.

26:45 What is NASAR doing to promote good legislation to get good uniformity across states?

29:57 How do you come up with a uniform standard of care and response?

33:03 Special challenges in National Park areas.

35:22 The need for a national database around SAR.

37:25 Volunteer SAR protections.

42:34 How important is it for each state to have a point person for SAR organization.

44:50 What's the future of NASAR?

47:56 Closing thoughts.

Links:

www.NASAR.org

Important Warning

• Many of the activities discussed in this podcast pose a very substantial risk of serious injury or death.
• Products and techniques discussed in this podcast are intended for use by specially trained professionals.
• Technical rescue, rappelling, climbing and the training involved are very hazardous activities. Each situation has its own unique conditions and must be evaluated by those present. Effective risk management comes from experience, proper training and good personal judgment.
• CMC is not liable for any damages arising from abuse or improper use of the techniques or equipment discussed in this podcast.
• Topics discussed are the ideas and opinions of each individual.
• Department protocol and regulations should always take precedence.

0:08 What is GRIMP?

1:43 How GRIMP North America came to be.

13:33 Training for provided CMC gear.

16:45 What was it like to be a participant at the first GRIMP North America?

19:30 How did GRIMP change the way you operate afterwards?

24:45 If given the opportunity, would you participate in the event again?

25:40 What's in the works for GRIMP North America 2022?

26:30 What is a GRIMP team composed of?

27:15 How were teams evaluated and scored?

30:35 Testing the do-ability of scenarios ahead of time.

32:27 How different standards around the world factor into the event.

34:45 Scope of new and/or different equipment and techniques within the event.

42:40 What's in the works for GRIMP North America 2022 scheduled for March 24-26

Links:

https://www.cmcpro.com/grimp-na/

https://www.pacificbattleship.com/

Important Warning

• Many of the activities discussed in this podcast pose a very substantial risk of serious injury or death.
• Products and techniques discussed in this podcast are intended for use by specially trained professionals.
• Technical rescue, rappelling, climbing and the training involved are very hazardous activities. Each situation has its own unique conditions and must be evaluated by those present. Effective risk management comes from experience, proper training and good personal judgment.
• CMC is not liable for any damages arising from abuse or improper use of the techniques or equipment discussed in this podcast.
• Topics discussed are the ideas and opinions of each individual.
• Department protocol and regulations should always take precedence.

0:07 Introductions

0:48 How does CMC decide what products to develop and focus on?

5:10 What does the development process look like once you decide what products to pursue?

10:18 Can you talk about the design and engineering process for the CLUTCH?

14:00 The challenges that come from the variability of rope.

15:00 Ware testing

18:14 How did you go about the design and engineering for the ATOM harness?

22:50 What was involved in brining the Outback to market?

28:05 Have you had any 'ah ha' moments during the design of these products?

34:18 What kind of challenges do you face when developing rescue and access equipment?

37:35 What role does the CMC School play in field testing gear?

46:15 What should customers expect in future product from CMC?

48:50 Closing thoughts

Links:

13:09 CLUTCH technical data https://www.cmcpro.com/technical/

CMC CLUTCH by Harken Ind https://www.cmcpro.com/c/clutch/

Outback Harness https://www.cmcpro.com/equipment/outback-convertible-harness/

G11 Rope https://www.cmcpro.com/equipment/cmc-g11-lifeline/

Triskelion Industrial Rescue Tripod https://www.cmcpro.com/equipment/triskelion-tripod/

LEVR Escape System https://www.cmcpro.com/equipment/levr-escape-system/

Important Warning

• Many of the activities discussed in this podcast pose a very substantial risk of serious injury or death.
• Products and techniques discussed in this podcast are intended for use by specially trained professionals.
• Technical rescue, rappelling, climbing and the training involved are very hazardous activities. Each situation has its own unique conditions and must be evaluated by those present. Effective risk management comes from experience, proper training and good personal judgment.
• CMC is not liable for any damages arising from abuse or improper use of the techniques or equipment discussed in this podcast.
• Topics discussed are the ideas and opinions of each individual.
• Department protocol and regulations should always take precedence.

Episode Notes:

0:20 Dr. John Madigan introduction and background.

2:20 What got you into the animal rescue portion of this field after you became a veterinarian?

7:30 Background and uses of the Anderson Sling

11:25 Large Animal Lift sling

12:15 The Loops System

14:48 Training and maintaining proficiency with the Loop System

18:18 Is it necessary or preferable to sedate the animal prior to moving or lifting the animal with any of the three systems?

18:56 Emergency sedation booklet reminder system.

21:58 Cow in a mine shaft rescue.

23:29 Should the emergency services, whether they be a mountain rescue team, fire department, police department etc. be involved in animal rescue?

28:27 How can emergency service rescue personnel correspond with a veterinarian to determine if a large animal incident is going to be a rescue or a recover?

30:57 What practical and humane options are out there if the animal is injured so severely that they need to be euthanatized?

34:27 What's the best way for a rescue team to get started with a large animal rescue program?

37:48 Is there a good method to get in contact with veterinarians in your local area to be apart of these teams?

40:44 How does the Train the Trainer program work?

42:26 What kind of equipment is needed to complete an animal rescue training?

45:04 The whole Loops System fits in a duffle bag and costs less than $500.00

46:35 What is the time frame of the Train the Trainer class?

50:18 What is the first step for a team to take to get started in this specialty?

53:45 Closing thoughts, animal rescue happens more often than you might think.

55:45 The more likely you are to have ready access to a piece of equipment that you can bring to an incident the higher likelihood of a successful rescue.

4:05 / 7:30 Charlie Anderson – Anderson Sling: https://www.andersonsling.com/

4:20 Alice King Chatham Wikipedia link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_King_Chatham#Space_program

8:44 ERIN L. TAYLOR DVM, LARRY D. GALUPPO DVM, Diplomate ACVS, EUGENE P. STEFFEY VMD, PhD, Diplomate ACVA, CHRISTINE C. SCARLETT BS … See all authors 

First published: 28 November 2005- Veterinary Surgery https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1532-950X.2005.00088.x

11:25 Large Animal Lift sling http://www.largeanimallift.com/

12:15 Learn more about the Loops System on Dr. Madigan’s website https://loopsrescue.com/ Email Dr. Madigan for questions about this system at [email protected] The full publication on the Loops System is here: https://www.mdpi.com/2076-2615/9/8/511

13:49 6 horse experiment with Loop System: https://www.mdpi.com/2076-2615/9/8/511

22:28 Cow in a mine shaft rescue using early version of lift system: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87JN-LaSSfg

35:15 Training in the state of California recommended by Dr. Madigan: https://www.resqfast.com/

35:27  Example of a CART (Community Animal Rescue Team) that has expertise in large animal technical rescue: https://www.sonomacart.org/

43:10 Inflatable horse manikins are currently sold out and awaiting new inventory in the USA.

51:12 National Association of Equine Practitioners: https://aaep.org/

52:25 Fire Department Technical Rescue Training with Rebecca Gimenez: http://tlaer.org/

52:40 http://tlaer.org/

52:47 Arizona training group with John and Deb Fox: http://www.animalrescuetraining.com/

53:20 Sonoma County Julie Atwood: https://www.halterproject.org/

All these lifting systems were created and evaluated at UC Davis. Charles Anderson, John Madigan and Richard Morgan are the creators and evaluators of the ‘Anderson sling” the name of which is based on patent submission by Charles Anderson.

Several studies are listed here demonstrating the safety, effectiveness and various uses of these equine lifting and support devices. The newest system is the Loops Rescue System designed by John Madigan and trademark protected.

Anderson Sling support system:

Use of propofol-xylazine and the AndersonSling Suspension System for recovery of horses from desflurane anesthesia.

Steffey EP, Brosnan RJ, Galuppo LD, Mama KR, Imai A, Maxwell LK, Cole CA, Stanley SD.Vet Surg. 2009 Dec;38(8):927-33. doi: 10.1111/j.1532-950X.2009.00599.x.

Use of the Anderson sling suspension system for recovery of horses from general anesthesia

EL Taylor, LD Galuppo, EP Steffey, CC Scarlett, JE Madigan

Veterinary Surgery 34 (6), 559-564

Arterial oxygen tension and pulmonary ventilation in horses placed in the AndersonSling suspension system after a period of lateral recumbency and anaesthetised with constant rate infusions of romifidine and ketamine.

François I, Lalèyê FX, Micat M, Benredouane K, Portier K.Equine Vet J. 2014 Sep;46(5):596-600. doi: 10.1111/evj.12185. Epub 2013 Dec 6.

Full body support sling in horses. Part 2: indications

A Ishihara, JE Madigan, JD Hubert, RS McConnico

Equine Veterinary Education 18 (5), 273-280

Full body support sling in horses. Part 1: equipment, case selection and application procedure

A Ishihara, JE Madigan, JD Hubert, RS McConnico

Equine Veterinary Education 18 (4), 219-222

Loops System

Evaluation of a simplified loops system for emergency rescue lifting of the stranded or recumbent horse

J Madigan, L Costa, S Nieves, M Horgan, K Weberg, M Aleman

Animals 9 (8), 511

Large Animal Lift

Initial clinical impressions of the UC Davis large animal lift and its use in recumbent equine patients

N Pusterla, JE Madigan

Schweizer Archiv für Tierheilkunde 148 (3), 161-166

How to lift recumbent equine patients in the field and hospital with the UC Davis Large Animal Lift

N Pusterla, GL Ferraro, JE Madigan

Proceedings, 87-92

Other articles describing using equipment for equine rescue and helicopter airlift:

(A322) Animals in Disasters and Emergencies: A Version of Wild Kingdom

J Madigan

Prehospital and Disaster Medicine 26 (S1), s90-s90

How to Airlift a Horse

JE Madigan, AE Page, N Pusterla, B Kirstie Dacre, EM Cert

Proceedings of the… annual convention

Stress, shock, chemical restraint and problems of immobilization and restraint of the equine rescue patient

JE Madigan

Journal of Equine Veterinary Science 13 (5), 262-263

Helicopter rescue of horses

JE Madigan, B Moore

Journal of Equine Veterinary Science 15 (4), 155-157

Evaluation of a new sling support device for horses

JE Madigan

Journal of Equine Veterinary Science 13 (5), 260-261

Factors associated with survival in 148 recumbent horses

LS Winfield, PH Kass, KG Magdesian, JE Madigan, M Aleman, N Pusterla

Equine veterinary journal 46 (5), 575-578

Important Warning

• Many of the activities discussed in this podcast pose a very substantial risk of serious injury or death.
• Products and techniques discussed in this podcast are intended for use by specially trained professionals.
• Technical rescue, rappelling, climbing and the training involved are very hazardous activities. Each situation has its own unique conditions and must be evaluated by those present. Effective risk management comes from experience, proper training and good personal judgment.
• CMC is not liable for any damages arising from abuse or improper use of the techniques or equipment discussed in this podcast.
• Topics discussed are the ideas and opinions of each individual.
• Department protocol and regulations should always take precedence.