What happens when a psychosomatic therapist and a somatic psychotherapist team up? They do incredible work about topics like co-dependency that you and I get to benefit from. Today's episode with Heidi Smith of Moon and Bloom, and Deborah Bagg of Love is Juniper is filled with helpful information.

What is co-dependency? How can we know it when we feel it? What's a caring relationship versus controlling one? Both Heidi and Deborah give some tools to navigating the topic for as Deborah put it "optimal relationships," which I am stealing and love. Optimal seems like a great goal.

Where to find us:

• Learn more Heidi
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