On this episode of The Grapevine La Trobe University's Emeritus Professor Judith Brett, tells Kulja and Dylan how a nation can suffer from being rich in natural resources and explains how Australia can move away from its economic dependency on fossil fuels,  as explored in the Quarterly Essay ‘The Coal Curse: Resources, Climate, and Australia’s Future’. And austerity or stimulus? Independent journalist Michael West explains the problems with the Government’s rationale for their policy making towards economic recovery which he highlights in his article ‘Do the grandchildren really pay the debt? The problem with Scott Morrison’s plan for recovery, and MMT’. Then, country living editor at The Weekly Times, Hannah Driscoll, talks about the impact of the shutdown on regional sports, particularly football, and how they’re looking now around the uncertainty of when seasons can start back up again.