A comment sparks a raw, honest conversation between co-hosts Destaney Wishon and Gabi Viljoen about what it really means to be a woman in leadership today. From being told to “soften your tone” to being judged by appearance on stage, they dive deep into the double standards women face in eCommerce & Entrepreneurship and how they have aimed to navigate them with confidence, empathy, and grace.

They unpack why women often have to prove themselves twice, how emotional intelligence becomes a superpower, and why the next generation gives them hope. With stories, laughter, and a little Cabernet, this episode is for every woman who's ever been underestimated and every man ready to understand.

In this episode of Coffee, Commerce & Cabernet, co-hosts Gabi Viljoen and Destaney Wishon pour a glass of South African Chenin Blanc and dive into a conversation on self-awareness: why it matters, how to cultivate it, and how it shapes leadership, careers, and personal growth.

They share personal stories of burnout, overachievement, and the unconscious patterns that drive behavior, showing how understanding their strengths and weaknesses transformed both their work and relationships. Central to this journey is the Enneagram test, which they call the most powerful tool for uncovering motivators, blind spots, and deeper truths about why we are the way we are.

If you're interested in taking the Enneagram test, it's free online in many places, but we really like the final report from https://www.truity.com/ (*not sponsored!)

Welcome to Coffee, Commerce & Cabernet 🍷

We started this podcast to have real conversations about growth, business, and life the kind of honest talks that usually happen behind the scenes.

Over the years, we’ve both built careers, faced plenty of challenges, and learned a lot through trial and error. What’s carried us forward has been sharing those lessons with each other — and now we’re sharing them here.

Expect candid stories, practical insights, and conversations with people. From the wins to the struggles, we want to make business more authentic, more relatable, and maybe even a little more fun.