Ben Brown once came up to me and recalled how the ministry ideas we had brainstormed in theory I had actually implemented. Ben was no onlooker though. Ben is a shining example of how students and leaders can use United Faith Leaders to serve real people and expand their actual experiences while creating additional income. Ben has since graduated with two masters degrees and is pastoring in western Virginia. Our ministries and talents have expanded each other's ability to care for and support real people. Thanks for being so courageous and open minded, Ben Brown. Today's episode is cohosted with Chris Wondree.