Rob Walker (@rwalk03) is a staff writer at Into the Calderón and the guest on this edition of Colchonero Chat, where he joins Into the Calderón site manager Jeremy Beren (@JBBeren) to debate Atlético Madrid’s eminently debatable 3-1 loss to rivals Real Madrid on Saturday.

Rob and Jeremy have a lot to discuss on this episode, including the three (nearly four) VAR decisions that went against Atlético at the Wanda Metropolitano on Saturday. They analyze dubious penalty claims, Álvaro Morata coming close but not close enough, the status of the Madrid Derby as a rivalry, the effects of Koke’s absence and much more. They talk about the merits of Real Madrid’s win and wonder if Atleti can bounce back at Rayo Vallecano next Saturday.

Plus, the guys talk a little Champions League and start a #RivalWatch on Juventus.