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You're listening to A Tiny Homestead, the podcast comprised entirely of conversations with homesteaders, cottage food producers, and crafters. I'm your host, Mary Lewis. Today I'm talking with Morgan at Cole Canyon Farm in Montana. Morgan's been on the podcast a few times under a different name. So hello, Morgan, how are you? Hello, I'm doing good. Yes, most of your viewers know me as Groovy Grazers, which we're still doing, but...
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We had talked about last time trying to come up with a farm name. And so we finally figured it out and it's coal Canyon farm. So we're super excited to finally have that done after two years. That's a long time to settle on a permanent name. Yeah. Yeah. It was hard to name the land. We live in a very unique area. We live in canyons, ah but there is a Canyon battlefield. We were trying to take on like not your atypical Montana name, you know?
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It definitely fits. We're excited. We got to come up with our brand next. That's going to be a nightmare. guess trying to get your brand registered here can be really hard and there's not very many like single stick brands left. So that's man. I hope that doesn't take two years, but that's next on her on the chopping block. So I don't know that we have that situation here. When we started our place, we just picked a name, registered it with the state and that was it.
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So the name's okay. I can pick my name without registering that with the state, but I mean, we don't have cattle right now. We have horses um and the sheep don't have to be branded. So it's not like a super big rush, but if I'm going to have horses, especially being in Montana, going missing is not uncommon or they get out. Brand, brand, brand. get it. Okay. Brand. It's okay. Yeah. I'm talking like iron brand and like,
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either freeze dry or hot iron brand um because that's like one of the next big things that you do in Montana. You pick a name and then you figure out your brand and people sell some brands for thousands of dollars if they're a single easy one, but it's only 250 bucks to register with that, I think with the state here. So that's not bad. That's one of the less expensive things to have to do. Okay. Okay. oh
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because I'm looking at a computer and because I know Facebook, was thinking brand as in brand like, Oh yeah. I mean, your brand is so important though when you're a farm, right? Like that's why I built it through Groovy Grazers, even though we didn't have a name because I was like, well, this is how we're going to operate anyways. Like having some type of grazing or deal going on, whether it be sheep or whatever, I just knew we were going to eventually be a farm face. And so I didn't want to wait on that. So yeah, like if you're a farm and you don't,
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have a Facebook page, you don't have an Instagram. mean, TikTok is one of those where I'm back and forth on if you really need it, but Facebook and Instagram for sure, or a website. If you don't wanna do social media, it's really hard, you gotta do more advertising and word of mouth, but having a brand is so important, like your colors, the way your logo is, can you put it on items? Like these are all things that people don't even think about, and that's actually why we did Cold Canyon Farm, and we built our, oh
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Facebook group, it's called Built From Dirt Farm School. Because a lot of people, they don't know how to do this. Yeah, I was going to ask you about the farm page too. I didn't do my weather update. what's, I usually open it with how's the weather. So how's the weather in Montana today? Oh man. So I mean, it dropped from like 34 down to one degree last night and we have like a powder.
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that came so like not feet of snow which can happen here but it's just the swings are ridiculous this year it's not good for the animals how's your weather? we are in a blizzard we are officially under a blizzard warning and you can't see to the road from my house and that's about 200 feet whoa look at this dedication though this is what it takes to like do any type of business right to be honest Mary like the fact that you're here still trying to do this is awesome you don't want to get you down
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Oh no, no, no, no. It always makes me laugh when I see blizzard warning because we've had blizzard warnings before and it hasn't really been a blizzard. This is a blizzard. Like this is a for real Minnesota blizzard. And I'm like, this is great. Our house is warm. We're having roast chicken and winter squash and broccoli for dinner. The dog is fine. chickens are all nice and cozy in their coop. We're fine. We're going to ride out to No problem.
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Yeah, when you have that. we went without power like two weeks ago for 36 hours. Oh, I traded which this is awesome about farming to we bartered six goats for a frickin wood stove, dude, like nice. Wait, because we don't have any heat in the house. We just have radiant floor heat, which is propane fed through our instant water heater. But if the power goes out, guess what? It does not work at all.
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So, you we went 36 hours without heat. Now, granted, was in the 50s, but like right now, it's, I mean, it's probably less than 10 degrees outside. And the floors are keeping the house warm and the oil heater is, but if we went without power again, our house would be cold. So we traded for wood stove. Because then once you're in that position of being self-sufficient, like you guys are with your generator and stuff, then you're like, okay, it's okay.
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uh Everything can burn down outside, but I'm okay right now. It's warm. It's good. We're okay. Yup. I will tell you something funny though. I said to my husband yesterday, I said, if you, need anything from the store, you should probably go now because it is going to be impossible to drive by nine 30 tomorrow morning. And he said, Oh no, we're fine. And then he got up this morning, grabbed his coffee and he was like, I'm going to need to go to the store. And I was like, for what? And he said, sugar, we're almost out. And I said, we have enough sugar.
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to last for at least a day and a half. I said, it's gonna be snowing by the time you're ready to get out. I said, do not, do not go anywhere. It's gonna be bad. He's like, okay, we'll see. And then it was snowing by 9.30, I think. And he looked outside and he said, yeah, I think we have enough sugar to last us. I was like, yeah, I think so too. In that moment when you're like, I told you so. I didn't say it. I tried really hard.
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to say that out loud because it's really insulting and he gets really offended so I don't say it but I think it really really loud. Okay so that's the weather update it's blizzarding here it is not blizzarding where you are that's good yeah and you have all kinds of things going on since I talked to you only like a month or two ago. Yeah pivots right? Big pivots so tell me. So no more throwing spaghetti at the wall.
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that like, you know, we kind of talked about that last time we were like, we're just gonna kind of throw it and see what works there. And really just spent like the last month since we talked, making some hard cuts, the goat market is down, sheep market is stable, the cattle market is insane, right? Like it's high, but it's dropping again. And so just trying to figure out like where
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Where do we fit? We're staying at the property. So that helps a lot to write. We know what's going on. Um, I think the last time we spoke, we had one horse, maybe two horses. had the fillies. Yeah, we just had, yeah. So we had the new Philly, which is a paint, um, Betty. And then we had Bambi, my husband's $100 BLS Philly. And then I traded my six year old gelding, um, with a gentleman who really needed a mount.
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This was before the horse herpes outbreak, EVH, which was turning neurological and killing a bunch of horses within 12 hours. I traded because one of his horses had passed away, uh my six-year-old gelding for a Kiger Mustang. I have uh three young fillies. One is going to be two this upcoming year. And then I have the two that are turning one on January 1st.
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Quite the young gang here, which is fine. That's why we were kind of talking about branding in the beginning because I want to make sure if I'm gonna put all this time and money into them I have a marked em as mine and We came up with farm school. There's a lot of downtime in Montana and We've thrown a lot of spaghetti at the wall. So one of the things about Cole Canyon farm is that you should know we're working Actively on our farm as a family. We're diversified
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farm, so not all of our streams of income come from what we produce. And it's not a hobby farm. when we last talked, Groovy Grazers is 100 % a hobby farm. It was not making hay. It made half the hay this year that it needed to. I was working my body to death. think the hustle culture in farming and homesteading needs to stop. You need to work when you're rested and inspired, and you need to
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rest when you're tired, which is hard to say, but in the last month, I've taken three days off and I have literally transformed our whole farm into what I've been dreaming and kind of alluding to in our last conversations over the few podcasts we've done is that this is what we wanted. We wanted to be able to educate the public ah and build systems from scratch. on on very low income, I think we see too many Instagram farms where these people
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have made six figures doing something else, now they get to Hobby Farm. That's a Hobby Farm. A real working farmer is very different. You know, we've talked about finances, we've talked about how do you decide what's working and what's not. And I think that Andy and I have thrown enough spaghetti at the wall that we can help others. uh My big girl job before I became a fully disabled veteran was working at Intuit. I sold accounting software. So all I did for
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10 hours a day was pick apart other small businesses. And I really loved auditing the farms, not auditing their numbers, but auditing their systems, figuring out what's working for them, what's not working for them, where might there be uh fat that they can trim off their bills, like all of these things are where my passion came from and why I was so good at selling QuickBooks accounting software.
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I mean, I was top 10 % in the first six months. It was almost unheard of what I was doing. And it was because I had such a passion for helping people figure it out. So was like, well, how can I take that passion and still help other people? And that's why we made Bill from Dirt Farm School. You know, it's practical education for new homesteaders, single income families, because I think that's an untouched area in our industry. Nobody wants to talk about one income.
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Women starting over that are trying to homestead by themselves on low income and really honestly just folks tired of working themselves broke like that's that's farm school Nice nice Did you say that you you hired a coach did you tell me that yeah, so I actually hired a coach Which I think is a big thing. So that's what helped get me focused So like I'm not gonna sit here and say that I did
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all of this reorganizing on myself, what I did is I hired Melanie Greenenough. She's been on multiple areas, you know, lots of different podcasts all over the world actually. And I got hooked up in one of her free trial classes and I sat down and it was all about how to brand, how to make sure that you're using your time wisely, all these things that I knew how to do, but I needed a system put in place.
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So I thought about it and I was like, well, I can do this with farms. I may be not good at helping other people set up like a networking or setting up. I mean, she is in the networking space, but that's not all she's doing. She's actually teaching me how to run my business and where to figure out when to hire like employees, when to. um
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Like when to have somebody that's more specialized because you could be doing other things. So a lot of this is us going back to the education because she's like, you guys have so much life experience. We have Andy, my husband, who is absolutely an expert in living organic soil on the biomes of dirt and stuff. And she's like, why are you guys not spreading this information farther than just Billings, Montana?
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And was like, yeah, I guess I never thought about that. Like, do people really want to take online classes? Are they really doing that? And I guess because I'm so adverse to being online because I worked from home for many years, actually, way before COVID, I did a little bit of online work that I was like, well, people want to get out and see people. But that's true.
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But there's not a lot of people educating others because it's like this gate kept secret. Like, yes, there's some knowledge that in farm school will charge for, but not everything has to be charged. It's all about making a community. And so that's what Melanie brought us to is like Groovy Grazers is great. But when we do the ROIs and we do the projections, it's just not going to work when I can't sell a Nigerian dwarf that's clean tested and could be papered for $50.
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Yeah. Yeah. There's no way, but I needed somebody that was above me to say like, Hey, not above me, but somebody that worked in multiple business spaces to be able to say, this is just, here's some direction. like the coaching is definitely a huge part of why I've gotten focused because I needed that check of like, Hey, this is
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The way you're doing right now isn't sustainable for 15 years with my body. It's not. Like I am disabled even though I don't look like it all the time. I have problems and I'm starting to slow down. My whole dream was to do goat milk, right? To milk the goats. Now we're doing sheep because sheep market is more level and it's multiple streams of income.
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So that's all I needed somebody was like Melanie to sit down and also inspire. So I think a lot of people forget how inspiring it is when you have a group of like-minded folks who all want the same thing. Like it's powerful, it's vibrational. If everything has a vibration to it, if you are low, you know, low hanging fruit that's vibrating low.
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your life is just gonna bring in chaos. But if you're around other people that are successful and trying to be successful, even if they're not in the same industry as you and if they are even better, but it brings in this like, okay, I can do this. You don't feel so alone. And that was why I decided to do coaching this year is because we live rural Montana. If you can hear the ticking in the background, that's the one I apologize. It's making our vent go, but. uh
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We're in rural Montana. I don't get out of the house often. I'm a homeschooling mom, but there's ways that I can connect with other homeschooling moms. So that's why there's been so much change. And I think sometimes people need to understand that getting a coach doesn't mean that somebody is telling you how to run your job or how to become a brand. It's just direction. And that's what the farm school is built on. It's just trying to give people direction. Yes. And having a coach.
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It gives you direction, but it also lets you see what you're doing from someone else's point of view. Yeah. She can use strong points. didn't even think of Mary. Yeah. You can't see it the way somebody from the outside can see it. Yeah. She was like, Morgan, get online, start educating, make a Facebook group so you don't feel so alone out in the middle of nowhere, Montana.
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and connect with other homeschool moms that are in the same boat as you. Find other veterans, find other people that feel like they can't do this. That's why it's called built from dirt. We are built from dirt. There's not high revenue streams coming in on this farm. We are trying to do this as little debt as possible. I have less than $7,000 in debt other than my truck.
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which yes, that is 45. Everyone needs to understand trucks are not cheap anymore. That's an F-150. And then we have, of course, our house note, but those are have-tos to survive. You've got to have at least one working vehicle and a home. Yep, absolutely. To even homestead. Yeah, yep. I am so excited for you that you're going to go in this direction because you have the best energy. Like every time I've talked with you,
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You sound so full of positivity and good ideas and you're so willing to help. Of course you're going to teach. Yeah. And like that was her whole thing. She was like, Morgan, you are a little fire. Go light other people's fire. Essentially what she told me and like doing the consulting, the one-on-one and farm audits. Like we're going to help people with land, but no clear plan. Right? Like we've done it. We've, I've done multiple.
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of places, I had a small micro farm with my ex-husband and we were planning that. That was in Louisiana. I farmed a little bit in Texas. I grew up in Texas, ah you know, in the horse industry. I lived in Arizona trying to farm there and then I've come to Montana. So I've been in a lot of different areas. ah You know, this is going to help people that are bleeding money on feed and animals because it's really hard to understand when you're just starting out.
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what goes into an animal. Like it's more than just the feed, the minerals, the medication. It goes into time. It goes into hoof trimming. It goes in to water if you have to haul it or owning a well and maintaining it. Like there's so many things that people don't realize and really just new farmers that are too overwhelmed with too many ideas. Cause like you said, when you have a coach, they stand back, they see all the good and
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And let's be honest, the bad that you may not see. And they're able to gently tell you, in a very polite way, this is what I'm seeing, and then directionally point you. And I think that comes from the way humans used to live, know, hundreds of years ago, there was always like, you know, the elders that would kind of help out the youngins and help point them in the right direction. And so most coaches are going to be older than you. Some might be younger, but you got to look at their life experience.
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You know, we're going to be able to help people with their livestock based on the acreage, the time, their physical ability, their cash flow, right? Like one of the things I'm really good at doing is looking at history, computing it into like some graphs and really taking a look at it and then also being able to understand grazing. OK, if you have this many head of cattle, this is where you live.
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take a picture of it, go cut me a one by one square and bundle that up. How much hay do you have in there? How much grassland do you have in there? I'm gonna be able to give you an idea. I'm not saying that I'm gonna change somebody's life just by consulting them. I'm saying that I'm gonna give them the right tools and help them see the things they don't see. There's a lot of things, turning animals into meat, breeding stock, fiber.
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You can turn it into your own classes. I'm going to host a whole, like, probably a six month course on how to do a petting zoo. I did really well with Groovy Grazers. I do daycares for $2.50 an hour. There's nothing secret about it. You can go on my website. $2.50 an hour is what I was charging in the beginning and I didn't do it with any employees. If you had employees that leaves room for it, right? So ethically,
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Treating yourself and your employees is a thing. Like you are an employee of the farm. Teaching people how to do tours of their property. I've had so many people out here. Now I haven't been charging for this because our property is a little crazy right now. We're overhauling completely, but I like having people come out here because it's helping hone in my skills. So then when we do tours, we're gonna have a whole plan. There's a farm, TNC Farms out here. I'm gonna have to try and see if...
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I can get you to interview Bridger because he is just, that young man is so brilliant, absolutely brilliant on uh how to rotationally graze, but they do a wool festival and they do a pumpkin patch at the end of the year and they do tours and they have big homeschool groups come in and like there's so many things people don't realize that you can do without having to even sell an animal. There is income and you have to have multiple streams.
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when you're a farmer because it's not good enough if you just have a day job and then it brings in a few hundred bucks a month. I mean that's a hobby. Yep. Absolutely. You definitely get me his contact information because he would be really fun to talk with. Okay. Well, it sounds like you have a lot going on. There's a couple of things I want to tell you about that is here. Number one, I am an award winning podcaster officially. I saw that.
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Congratulations. I'm so excited because I've been on the show, what, two years now? Yeah. And like, I remember you're like, one day I'm going to get recognized for doing this and look at you. Like two years is awesome, Mary. Congrats. Well, thank you. And I want to I want to tell you what it is because not everybody who's listening knows about this yet. It's the Corporate Visions Media Innovator Awards 2025.
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And I got sustainable living podcasts of the year 2025 USA because they're based out of England. That's so cool. That's even cooler that you have like an English following like being worldwide. Like that is really cool. I'm so proud of you. Thank you. It's so crazy to me. I they emailed me and they were like, do you want to be part of the pool for this this prize? And I was like, what do need to do? And they were like, fill out this form.
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So I did and I told them about my podcast and I won this award and I was like, I'm not even sure what this means, but I think it's really cool. No, it is cool. So what are your next steps with this award? you going to do a different, like what all is coming from getting this award that you're going to do? I have no idea. I just think it's super awesome, nifty that I want it. And then the second thing that I wanted to tell you.
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is I'm starting a second podcast for sure. Yeah. It's called Grit and Grace in the Heartland Women in Agriculture. Oh, I love that. And I will definitely talk to my co-host about having you come visit with us because I think that would be really fun. Yeah. My co-host is a lady named Leah and she is Clear Creek Ranch Mom on Facebook. Okay. And she has the biggest heart. She is a fifth-generation
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fifth generation cattle rancher with her family. love that. And she also had worked with the USDA, I think, for grants. Oh, that's awesome. People have no idea about grants. Uh huh. And she's just fabulous. And we've talked like three or four times on the podcast episodes over last two years. And I said, we never get to go deep enough. I said, do you want to be a cohost with me on a second podcast? And she said, give me a week to think about it. And I said, okay. And I
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hit her up exactly a week to the day and said, did you think about it? She's like, I really want to do it. So that's going to be coming out the first full week of January. Oh, I'm so excited for you. Like, I can't wait to just even listen to that podcast. it's just so cool to see women stepping into this place of like, yeah, we're here. We've been here the whole time helping people, know, helping our husband farm.
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And now we're going to talk about it because back in the day men were hunters and women sat around and got to socialize, right? And took care of the babies and made the food. Yeah, we did everything social, right? In a group and men had to go off and they were silent, right? Hunting in the woods and to see women stepping into this like we're going to gather again, we're going to get women back together and we're going to make clear
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clear path for the next generation. know, Leah, right, is her name. She's a fifth generation farmer. Yep. She's like, guess what? I see so many I bet you she would even confirm it. She sees so many first generation farmers. And that's probably a lot of her drive is like, I want to help these new people. like, we're gonna have like words between humans is such a real thing, especially when you have, you know, artificial intelligence, when you have people that just
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we'll kind of write whatever. You know, it's hard to know what's real and what's not anymore. So being able to discuss with other people, even by phone or by virtual video is so powerful. And then to have a podcast that's on the same vibrational as everyone else, you're only gonna raise your listeners to be better farmers.
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but you're also gonna have all these people, women specifically, right? That are gonna come to you guys that are gonna say, hey, I wanna share my experience. Exactly, yes. Yes, and what's even better is 2026 is the International Year of the Woman Farmer. Did you know that? Yes, that's why Melanie was like, you gotta step into this. Like step into it.
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did not know about that until after Leah and I decided to do this together. And I saw it, I was like, yes, great timing. Oh man, see your internal instincts are just so, they're spot on, right? Like you are empathic with your listeners. You can hear our woes and you can hear the women that are like, there's not a lot of support. When I go talk and I have nothing against male farmers in this sense, but sometimes when I go talk to them and I have a throat tattoo for the listeners that don't follow me on Facebook.
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Um, and it's flowers, it's dainty, Geo- like shapes, nothing crazy, right? No like skulls or anything on my throat. They look at me like I'm crazy. um I have to like almost win their trust over by like giving them like, oh, you know, this little insight tip about being a farmer. And then they're like, oh, she's cool. She can vibe. And it's like, I could vibe with you the whole time. I just had to win you over. And
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When I speak to a woman farmer, they're like, no, they just listen to you. They understand you. There's no question of who you are because they've experienced it themselves. And like, I get it. There's a lot of women that come into farming and they are, they think they're tough enough to do this. And you know, farming is not, it's not for the weak. It is not for the weak. It's really hard. My friend Nicole, she's somebody else that I want you to interview. She's a farrier and works with the Amish.
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Um, in a horse breeding program, she had to deal with one of the old guys we had taken on. He's he choked the vets out there right now, putting him to sleep. Um, and she was out there all night long with him in the middle of the blizzard. had, you know, they live an hour away from us. So where they are, there's like six foot plus feet of snow. I'm not even kidding you in Red Lodge right now. Um, and she lives out there. And so she was out all night with that horse. Just sitting there.
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because no vet could get to him until 12 o'clock today. That's the reality of farming though. And so I'm excited for this because I think that so many negativities happen in farming that it can get people really down. So if we can get a group of women on a podcast talking about the positives, encouraging each other, not being Instagram fake where we act like everything's peachy on our farm, right? We talk about the reality of farming.
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then we're going to see some major breakthroughs in our industry and we need them. I'm actually a wholesale dealer for AgriBest. That was something else that happened. um They do Redmond, Sweetlix products. Those are products for horses, cattle, sheep. It's all mineral based. um And being in that industry, I'm very far and few between. And so I think it's awesome because I am going to go listen to your podcast.
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with Leah, I can't wait. Like, sign me up. You couldn't sign me up any quicker to just listen to it because... it was already out, you'd be like, hold on, I'll come back in half an hour, Mary. Let me go listen to the first episode. No, seriously, because I think women... I don't think... I'm not going to say they're smarter than men because I don't speak like that, but I think women are able to meticulate their words better.
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I don't even know or articulate. Sorry. I can't think it's been a long long night But like women are just able to use their words better to tell a story So women women are the communicators and I will tell you how I know this for sure Did you know that men out? Outdo women in podcasting, but most of the men fall off they suffer from podfade and the podcast disappear but
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Wow. tend to hang in longer because they are the communicators. That's cool. See, I wouldn't have known that. like, that's interesting because that is true. Like me and my girlfriends, when something goes wrong, we call each other. Yeah. But when something goes wrong with men, they just text. They don't even text each other. Like they're just like, it's OK. They'll they won't question why I'm even here. And you're like, what do you mean? Like if that was another woman, we would absolutely question why we hadn't heard from them.
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Mm-hmm. Yeah, the only time a man will ask for help is if it's a dire emergency. Yeah, yeah, men are so stubborn in that sense. so I think that next year being a women's agriculture, I'm sure a lot of your demographic is women, right? Because like women attract women in podcasting. Actually, it's not. Really? You are going to die on this statistic. I looked the other day on my Facebook page, mine.
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and Tiny Homestead podcast one. 56 to 60 % men listeners. was like, are you kidding me? That's interesting. I guess I need to look on Cole Canyon farm and Groovy Grazers and see what my statistics are. I haven't in a while, but yeah, that's really interesting. I think because it's easier to listen. Maybe if you're a man to like women talking, cause we paint the full picture. Maybe I don't know what it is.
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So interesting. Maybe some of your listeners, if you're a man and you're listening, can you chime in on the homestead page on like, do you listen to more women or men podcasts? That would even be a cool poll for you to do. Yeah, it absolutely would. OK, Morgan, you know, I try to keep these to half an hour. Yeah. So the first episode of the new podcast will be out Monday of the first full week of January. So two Mondays from now.
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And it's only going to be a one week, one a week release. So one episode a week for a while. But yeah, very, very excited. Where can people find you? Cole Canyon Farm on Facebook. Is that right? Yes, you can. And you can find us still Groovy Grazers MT on Facebook. You can find Cole Canyon Farm on Instagram. And we still own www.groovygrazors.com. And
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We are doing a seed giveaway right now on my built from dirt farm page and some one-on-one consulting. So if you guys are looking for your group, then definitely add yourself in. We're going to be doing lots of freebie classes and courses, just getting the hive mind going. Okay. I will put the link to the new group show notes for you so people can find the giveaway and get involved. Thank you. As always, people can find me at a tinyhomesteadpodcast.com.
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And if you want to support the podcast financially, cause I could use some help, um go to atanihomestead.com slash support. Morgan, thank you for taking the time to catch me up on what's going on with you. Cause I saw stuff on Facebook and I was like, what is she doing now? I'm not sure about this. Yeah. Thanks for having me. Thank you guys for listening. I'm sure we'll chat in the spring sometime soon about all the new stuff we've been doing. We have to.
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That's all there is to it. We've got to make it happen. All right. Thank you, Morgan. Thank you. Bye.
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You're listening to A Tiny Homestead, the podcast comprised entirely of conversations with homesteaders, cottage food producers, and crafters. I'm your host, Mary Lewis. Today I'm talking with Morgan at Cole Canyon Farm in Montana. Morgan's been on the podcast a few times under a different name. So hello, Morgan, how are you? Hello, I'm doing good. Yes, most of your viewers know me as Groovy Grazers, which we're still doing, but...
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We had talked about last time trying to come up with a farm name. And so we finally figured it out and it's coal Canyon farm. So we're super excited to finally have that done after two years. That's a long time to settle on a permanent name. Yeah. Yeah. It was hard to name the land. We live in a very unique area. We live in canyons, ah but there is a Canyon battlefield. We were trying to take on like not your atypical Montana name, you know?
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It definitely fits. We're excited. We got to come up with our brand next. That's going to be a nightmare. guess trying to get your brand registered here can be really hard and there's not very many like single stick brands left. So that's man. I hope that doesn't take two years, but that's next on her on the chopping block. So I don't know that we have that situation here. When we started our place, we just picked a name, registered it with the state and that was it.
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So the name's okay. I can pick my name without registering that with the state, but I mean, we don't have cattle right now. We have horses um and the sheep don't have to be branded. So it's not like a super big rush, but if I'm going to have horses, especially being in Montana, going missing is not uncommon or they get out. Brand, brand, brand. get it. Okay. Brand. It's okay. Yeah. I'm talking like iron brand and like,
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either freeze dry or hot iron brand um because that's like one of the next big things that you do in Montana. You pick a name and then you figure out your brand and people sell some brands for thousands of dollars if they're a single easy one, but it's only 250 bucks to register with that, I think with the state here. So that's not bad. That's one of the less expensive things to have to do. Okay. Okay. oh
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because I'm looking at a computer and because I know Facebook, was thinking brand as in brand like, Oh yeah. I mean, your brand is so important though when you're a farm, right? Like that's why I built it through Groovy Grazers, even though we didn't have a name because I was like, well, this is how we're going to operate anyways. Like having some type of grazing or deal going on, whether it be sheep or whatever, I just knew we were going to eventually be a farm face. And so I didn't want to wait on that. So yeah, like if you're a farm and you don't,
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have a Facebook page, you don't have an Instagram. mean, TikTok is one of those where I'm back and forth on if you really need it, but Facebook and Instagram for sure, or a website. If you don't wanna do social media, it's really hard, you gotta do more advertising and word of mouth, but having a brand is so important, like your colors, the way your logo is, can you put it on items? Like these are all things that people don't even think about, and that's actually why we did Cold Canyon Farm, and we built our, oh
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Facebook group, it's called Built From Dirt Farm School. Because a lot of people, they don't know how to do this. Yeah, I was going to ask you about the farm page too. I didn't do my weather update. what's, I usually open it with how's the weather. So how's the weather in Montana today? Oh man. So I mean, it dropped from like 34 down to one degree last night and we have like a powder.
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that came so like not feet of snow which can happen here but it's just the swings are ridiculous this year it's not good for the animals how's your weather? we are in a blizzard we are officially under a blizzard warning and you can't see to the road from my house and that's about 200 feet whoa look at this dedication though this is what it takes to like do any type of business right to be honest Mary like the fact that you're here still trying to do this is awesome you don't want to get you down
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Oh no, no, no, no. It always makes me laugh when I see blizzard warning because we've had blizzard warnings before and it hasn't really been a blizzard. This is a blizzard. Like this is a for real Minnesota blizzard. And I'm like, this is great. Our house is warm. We're having roast chicken and winter squash and broccoli for dinner. The dog is fine. chickens are all nice and cozy in their coop. We're fine. We're going to ride out to No problem.
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Yeah, when you have that. we went without power like two weeks ago for 36 hours. Oh, I traded which this is awesome about farming to we bartered six goats for a frickin wood stove, dude, like nice. Wait, because we don't have any heat in the house. We just have radiant floor heat, which is propane fed through our instant water heater. But if the power goes out, guess what? It does not work at all.
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So, you we went 36 hours without heat. Now, granted, was in the 50s, but like right now, it's, I mean, it's probably less than 10 degrees outside. And the floors are keeping the house warm and the oil heater is, but if we went without power again, our house would be cold. So we traded for wood stove. Because then once you're in that position of being self-sufficient, like you guys are with your generator and stuff, then you're like, okay, it's okay.
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uh Everything can burn down outside, but I'm okay right now. It's warm. It's good. We're okay. Yup. I will tell you something funny though. I said to my husband yesterday, I said, if you, need anything from the store, you should probably go now because it is going to be impossible to drive by nine 30 tomorrow morning. And he said, Oh no, we're fine. And then he got up this morning, grabbed his coffee and he was like, I'm going to need to go to the store. And I was like, for what? And he said, sugar, we're almost out. And I said, we have enough sugar.
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to last for at least a day and a half. I said, it's gonna be snowing by the time you're ready to get out. I said, do not, do not go anywhere. It's gonna be bad. He's like, okay, we'll see. And then it was snowing by 9.30, I think. And he looked outside and he said, yeah, I think we have enough sugar to last us. I was like, yeah, I think so too. In that moment when you're like, I told you so. I didn't say it. I tried really hard.
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to say that out loud because it's really insulting and he gets really offended so I don't say it but I think it really really loud. Okay so that's the weather update it's blizzarding here it is not blizzarding where you are that's good yeah and you have all kinds of things going on since I talked to you only like a month or two ago. Yeah pivots right? Big pivots so tell me. So no more throwing spaghetti at the wall.
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that like, you know, we kind of talked about that last time we were like, we're just gonna kind of throw it and see what works there. And really just spent like the last month since we talked, making some hard cuts, the goat market is down, sheep market is stable, the cattle market is insane, right? Like it's high, but it's dropping again. And so just trying to figure out like where
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Where do we fit? We're staying at the property. So that helps a lot to write. We know what's going on. Um, I think the last time we spoke, we had one horse, maybe two horses. had the fillies. Yeah, we just had, yeah. So we had the new Philly, which is a paint, um, Betty. And then we had Bambi, my husband's $100 BLS Philly. And then I traded my six year old gelding, um, with a gentleman who really needed a mount.
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This was before the horse herpes outbreak, EVH, which was turning neurological and killing a bunch of horses within 12 hours. I traded because one of his horses had passed away, uh my six-year-old gelding for a Kiger Mustang. I have uh three young fillies. One is going to be two this upcoming year. And then I have the two that are turning one on January 1st.
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Quite the young gang here, which is fine. That's why we were kind of talking about branding in the beginning because I want to make sure if I'm gonna put all this time and money into them I have a marked em as mine and We came up with farm school. There's a lot of downtime in Montana and We've thrown a lot of spaghetti at the wall. So one of the things about Cole Canyon farm is that you should know we're working Actively on our farm as a family. We're diversified
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farm, so not all of our streams of income come from what we produce. And it's not a hobby farm. when we last talked, Groovy Grazers is 100 % a hobby farm. It was not making hay. It made half the hay this year that it needed to. I was working my body to death. think the hustle culture in farming and homesteading needs to stop. You need to work when you're rested and inspired, and you need to
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rest when you're tired, which is hard to say, but in the last month, I've taken three days off and I have literally transformed our whole farm into what I've been dreaming and kind of alluding to in our last conversations over the few podcasts we've done is that this is what we wanted. We wanted to be able to educate the public ah and build systems from scratch. on on very low income, I think we see too many Instagram farms where these people
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have made six figures doing something else, now they get to Hobby Farm. That's a Hobby Farm. A real working farmer is very different. You know, we've talked about finances, we've talked about how do you decide what's working and what's not. And I think that Andy and I have thrown enough spaghetti at the wall that we can help others. uh My big girl job before I became a fully disabled veteran was working at Intuit. I sold accounting software. So all I did for
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10 hours a day was pick apart other small businesses. And I really loved auditing the farms, not auditing their numbers, but auditing their systems, figuring out what's working for them, what's not working for them, where might there be uh fat that they can trim off their bills, like all of these things are where my passion came from and why I was so good at selling QuickBooks accounting software.
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I mean, I was top 10 % in the first six months. It was almost unheard of what I was doing. And it was because I had such a passion for helping people figure it out. So was like, well, how can I take that passion and still help other people? And that's why we made Bill from Dirt Farm School. You know, it's practical education for new homesteaders, single income families, because I think that's an untouched area in our industry. Nobody wants to talk about one income.
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Women starting over that are trying to homestead by themselves on low income and really honestly just folks tired of working themselves broke like that's that's farm school Nice nice Did you say that you you hired a coach did you tell me that yeah, so I actually hired a coach Which I think is a big thing. So that's what helped get me focused So like I'm not gonna sit here and say that I did
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all of this reorganizing on myself, what I did is I hired Melanie Greenenough. She's been on multiple areas, you know, lots of different podcasts all over the world actually. And I got hooked up in one of her free trial classes and I sat down and it was all about how to brand, how to make sure that you're using your time wisely, all these things that I knew how to do, but I needed a system put in place.
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So I thought about it and I was like, well, I can do this with farms. I may be not good at helping other people set up like a networking or setting up. I mean, she is in the networking space, but that's not all she's doing. She's actually teaching me how to run my business and where to figure out when to hire like employees, when to. um
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Like when to have somebody that's more specialized because you could be doing other things. So a lot of this is us going back to the education because she's like, you guys have so much life experience. We have Andy, my husband, who is absolutely an expert in living organic soil on the biomes of dirt and stuff. And she's like, why are you guys not spreading this information farther than just Billings, Montana?
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And was like, yeah, I guess I never thought about that. Like, do people really want to take online classes? Are they really doing that? And I guess because I'm so adverse to being online because I worked from home for many years, actually, way before COVID, I did a little bit of online work that I was like, well, people want to get out and see people. But that's true.
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But there's not a lot of people educating others because it's like this gate kept secret. Like, yes, there's some knowledge that in farm school will charge for, but not everything has to be charged. It's all about making a community. And so that's what Melanie brought us to is like Groovy Grazers is great. But when we do the ROIs and we do the projections, it's just not going to work when I can't sell a Nigerian dwarf that's clean tested and could be papered for $50.
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Yeah. Yeah. There's no way, but I needed somebody that was above me to say like, Hey, not above me, but somebody that worked in multiple business spaces to be able to say, this is just, here's some direction. like the coaching is definitely a huge part of why I've gotten focused because I needed that check of like, Hey, this is
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The way you're doing right now isn't sustainable for 15 years with my body. It's not. Like I am disabled even though I don't look like it all the time. I have problems and I'm starting to slow down. My whole dream was to do goat milk, right? To milk the goats. Now we're doing sheep because sheep market is more level and it's multiple streams of income.
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So that's all I needed somebody was like Melanie to sit down and also inspire. So I think a lot of people forget how inspiring it is when you have a group of like-minded folks who all want the same thing. Like it's powerful, it's vibrational. If everything has a vibration to it, if you are low, you know, low hanging fruit that's vibrating low.
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your life is just gonna bring in chaos. But if you're around other people that are successful and trying to be successful, even if they're not in the same industry as you and if they are even better, but it brings in this like, okay, I can do this. You don't feel so alone. And that was why I decided to do coaching this year is because we live rural Montana. If you can hear the ticking in the background, that's the one I apologize. It's making our vent go, but. uh
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We're in rural Montana. I don't get out of the house often. I'm a homeschooling mom, but there's ways that I can connect with other homeschooling moms. So that's why there's been so much change. And I think sometimes people need to understand that getting a coach doesn't mean that somebody is telling you how to run your job or how to become a brand. It's just direction. And that's what the farm school is built on. It's just trying to give people direction. Yes. And having a coach.
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It gives you direction, but it also lets you see what you're doing from someone else's point of view. Yeah. She can use strong points. didn't even think of Mary. Yeah. You can't see it the way somebody from the outside can see it. Yeah. She was like, Morgan, get online, start educating, make a Facebook group so you don't feel so alone out in the middle of nowhere, Montana.
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and connect with other homeschool moms that are in the same boat as you. Find other veterans, find other people that feel like they can't do this. That's why it's called built from dirt. We are built from dirt. There's not high revenue streams coming in on this farm. We are trying to do this as little debt as possible. I have less than $7,000 in debt other than my truck.
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which yes, that is 45. Everyone needs to understand trucks are not cheap anymore. That's an F-150. And then we have, of course, our house note, but those are have-tos to survive. You've got to have at least one working vehicle and a home. Yep, absolutely. To even homestead. Yeah, yep. I am so excited for you that you're going to go in this direction because you have the best energy. Like every time I've talked with you,
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You sound so full of positivity and good ideas and you're so willing to help. Of course you're going to teach. Yeah. And like that was her whole thing. She was like, Morgan, you are a little fire. Go light other people's fire. Essentially what she told me and like doing the consulting, the one-on-one and farm audits. Like we're going to help people with land, but no clear plan. Right? Like we've done it. We've, I've done multiple.
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of places, I had a small micro farm with my ex-husband and we were planning that. That was in Louisiana. I farmed a little bit in Texas. I grew up in Texas, ah you know, in the horse industry. I lived in Arizona trying to farm there and then I've come to Montana. So I've been in a lot of different areas. ah You know, this is going to help people that are bleeding money on feed and animals because it's really hard to understand when you're just starting out.
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what goes into an animal. Like it's more than just the feed, the minerals, the medication. It goes into time. It goes into hoof trimming. It goes in to water if you have to haul it or owning a well and maintaining it. Like there's so many things that people don't realize and really just new farmers that are too overwhelmed with too many ideas. Cause like you said, when you have a coach, they stand back, they see all the good and
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And let's be honest, the bad that you may not see. And they're able to gently tell you, in a very polite way, this is what I'm seeing, and then directionally point you. And I think that comes from the way humans used to live, know, hundreds of years ago, there was always like, you know, the elders that would kind of help out the youngins and help point them in the right direction. And so most coaches are going to be older than you. Some might be younger, but you got to look at their life experience.
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You know, we're going to be able to help people with their livestock based on the acreage, the time, their physical ability, their cash flow, right? Like one of the things I'm really good at doing is looking at history, computing it into like some graphs and really taking a look at it and then also being able to understand grazing. OK, if you have this many head of cattle, this is where you live.
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take a picture of it, go cut me a one by one square and bundle that up. How much hay do you have in there? How much grassland do you have in there? I'm gonna be able to give you an idea. I'm not saying that I'm gonna change somebody's life just by consulting them. I'm saying that I'm gonna give them the right tools and help them see the things they don't see. There's a lot of things, turning animals into meat, breeding stock, fiber.
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You can turn it into your own classes. I'm going to host a whole, like, probably a six month course on how to do a petting zoo. I did really well with Groovy Grazers. I do daycares for $2.50 an hour. There's nothing secret about it. You can go on my website. $2.50 an hour is what I was charging in the beginning and I didn't do it with any employees. If you had employees that leaves room for it, right? So ethically,
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Treating yourself and your employees is a thing. Like you are an employee of the farm. Teaching people how to do tours of their property. I've had so many people out here. Now I haven't been charging for this because our property is a little crazy right now. We're overhauling completely, but I like having people come out here because it's helping hone in my skills. So then when we do tours, we're gonna have a whole plan. There's a farm, TNC Farms out here. I'm gonna have to try and see if...
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I can get you to interview Bridger because he is just, that young man is so brilliant, absolutely brilliant on uh how to rotationally graze, but they do a wool festival and they do a pumpkin patch at the end of the year and they do tours and they have big homeschool groups come in and like there's so many things people don't realize that you can do without having to even sell an animal. There is income and you have to have multiple streams.
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when you're a farmer because it's not good enough if you just have a day job and then it brings in a few hundred bucks a month. I mean that's a hobby. Yep. Absolutely. You definitely get me his contact information because he would be really fun to talk with. Okay. Well, it sounds like you have a lot going on. There's a couple of things I want to tell you about that is here. Number one, I am an award winning podcaster officially. I saw that.
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Congratulations. I'm so excited because I've been on the show, what, two years now? Yeah. And like, I remember you're like, one day I'm going to get recognized for doing this and look at you. Like two years is awesome, Mary. Congrats. Well, thank you. And I want to I want to tell you what it is because not everybody who's listening knows about this yet. It's the Corporate Visions Media Innovator Awards 2025.
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And I got sustainable living podcasts of the year 2025 USA because they're based out of England. That's so cool. That's even cooler that you have like an English following like being worldwide. Like that is really cool. I'm so proud of you. Thank you. It's so crazy to me. I they emailed me and they were like, do you want to be part of the pool for this this prize? And I was like, what do need to do? And they were like, fill out this form.
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So I did and I told them about my podcast and I won this award and I was like, I'm not even sure what this means, but I think it's really cool. No, it is cool. So what are your next steps with this award? you going to do a different, like what all is coming from getting this award that you're going to do? I have no idea. I just think it's super awesome, nifty that I want it. And then the second thing that I wanted to tell you.
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is I'm starting a second podcast for sure. Yeah. It's called Grit and Grace in the Heartland Women in Agriculture. Oh, I love that. And I will definitely talk to my co-host about having you come visit with us because I think that would be really fun. Yeah. My co-host is a lady named Leah and she is Clear Creek Ranch Mom on Facebook. Okay. And she has the biggest heart. She is a fifth-generation
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fifth generation cattle rancher with her family. love that. And she also had worked with the USDA, I think, for grants. Oh, that's awesome. People have no idea about grants. Uh huh. And she's just fabulous. And we've talked like three or four times on the podcast episodes over last two years. And I said, we never get to go deep enough. I said, do you want to be a cohost with me on a second podcast? And she said, give me a week to think about it. And I said, okay. And I
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hit her up exactly a week to the day and said, did you think about it? She's like, I really want to do it. So that's going to be coming out the first full week of January. Oh, I'm so excited for you. Like, I can't wait to just even listen to that podcast. it's just so cool to see women stepping into this place of like, yeah, we're here. We've been here the whole time helping people, know, helping our husband farm.
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And now we're going to talk about it because back in the day men were hunters and women sat around and got to socialize, right? And took care of the babies and made the food. Yeah, we did everything social, right? In a group and men had to go off and they were silent, right? Hunting in the woods and to see women stepping into this like we're going to gather again, we're going to get women back together and we're going to make clear
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clear path for the next generation. know, Leah, right, is her name. She's a fifth generation farmer. Yep. She's like, guess what? I see so many I bet you she would even confirm it. She sees so many first generation farmers. And that's probably a lot of her drive is like, I want to help these new people. like, we're gonna have like words between humans is such a real thing, especially when you have, you know, artificial intelligence, when you have people that just
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we'll kind of write whatever. You know, it's hard to know what's real and what's not anymore. So being able to discuss with other people, even by phone or by virtual video is so powerful. And then to have a podcast that's on the same vibrational as everyone else, you're only gonna raise your listeners to be better farmers.
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but you're also gonna have all these people, women specifically, right? That are gonna come to you guys that are gonna say, hey, I wanna share my experience. Exactly, yes. Yes, and what's even better is 2026 is the International Year of the Woman Farmer. Did you know that? Yes, that's why Melanie was like, you gotta step into this. Like step into it.
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did not know about that until after Leah and I decided to do this together. And I saw it, I was like, yes, great timing. Oh man, see your internal instincts are just so, they're spot on, right? Like you are empathic with your listeners. You can hear our woes and you can hear the women that are like, there's not a lot of support. When I go talk and I have nothing against male farmers in this sense, but sometimes when I go talk to them and I have a throat tattoo for the listeners that don't follow me on Facebook.
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Um, and it's flowers, it's dainty, Geo- like shapes, nothing crazy, right? No like skulls or anything on my throat. They look at me like I'm crazy. um I have to like almost win their trust over by like giving them like, oh, you know, this little insight tip about being a farmer. And then they're like, oh, she's cool. She can vibe. And it's like, I could vibe with you the whole time. I just had to win you over. And
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When I speak to a woman farmer, they're like, no, they just listen to you. They understand you. There's no question of who you are because they've experienced it themselves. And like, I get it. There's a lot of women that come into farming and they are, they think they're tough enough to do this. And you know, farming is not, it's not for the weak. It is not for the weak. It's really hard. My friend Nicole, she's somebody else that I want you to interview. She's a farrier and works with the Amish.
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Um, in a horse breeding program, she had to deal with one of the old guys we had taken on. He's he choked the vets out there right now, putting him to sleep. Um, and she was out there all night long with him in the middle of the blizzard. had, you know, they live an hour away from us. So where they are, there's like six foot plus feet of snow. I'm not even kidding you in Red Lodge right now. Um, and she lives out there. And so she was out all night with that horse. Just sitting there.
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because no vet could get to him until 12 o'clock today. That's the reality of farming though. And so I'm excited for this because I think that so many negativities happen in farming that it can get people really down. So if we can get a group of women on a podcast talking about the positives, encouraging each other, not being Instagram fake where we act like everything's peachy on our farm, right? We talk about the reality of farming.
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then we're going to see some major breakthroughs in our industry and we need them. I'm actually a wholesale dealer for AgriBest. That was something else that happened. um They do Redmond, Sweetlix products. Those are products for horses, cattle, sheep. It's all mineral based. um And being in that industry, I'm very far and few between. And so I think it's awesome because I am going to go listen to your podcast.
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with Leah, I can't wait. Like, sign me up. You couldn't sign me up any quicker to just listen to it because... it was already out, you'd be like, hold on, I'll come back in half an hour, Mary. Let me go listen to the first episode. No, seriously, because I think women... I don't think... I'm not going to say they're smarter than men because I don't speak like that, but I think women are able to meticulate their words better.
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I don't even know or articulate. Sorry. I can't think it's been a long long night But like women are just able to use their words better to tell a story So women women are the communicators and I will tell you how I know this for sure Did you know that men out? Outdo women in podcasting, but most of the men fall off they suffer from podfade and the podcast disappear but
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Wow. tend to hang in longer because they are the communicators. That's cool. See, I wouldn't have known that. like, that's interesting because that is true. Like me and my girlfriends, when something goes wrong, we call each other. Yeah. But when something goes wrong with men, they just text. They don't even text each other. Like they're just like, it's OK. They'll they won't question why I'm even here. And you're like, what do you mean? Like if that was another woman, we would absolutely question why we hadn't heard from them.
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Mm-hmm. Yeah, the only time a man will ask for help is if it's a dire emergency. Yeah, yeah, men are so stubborn in that sense. so I think that next year being a women's agriculture, I'm sure a lot of your demographic is women, right? Because like women attract women in podcasting. Actually, it's not. Really? You are going to die on this statistic. I looked the other day on my Facebook page, mine.
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and Tiny Homestead podcast one. 56 to 60 % men listeners. was like, are you kidding me? That's interesting. I guess I need to look on Cole Canyon farm and Groovy Grazers and see what my statistics are. I haven't in a while, but yeah, that's really interesting. I think because it's easier to listen. Maybe if you're a man to like women talking, cause we paint the full picture. Maybe I don't know what it is.
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So interesting. Maybe some of your listeners, if you're a man and you're listening, can you chime in on the homestead page on like, do you listen to more women or men podcasts? That would even be a cool poll for you to do. Yeah, it absolutely would. OK, Morgan, you know, I try to keep these to half an hour. Yeah. So the first episode of the new podcast will be out Monday of the first full week of January. So two Mondays from now.
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And it's only going to be a one week, one a week release. So one episode a week for a while. But yeah, very, very excited. Where can people find you? Cole Canyon Farm on Facebook. Is that right? Yes, you can. And you can find us still Groovy Grazers MT on Facebook. You can find Cole Canyon Farm on Instagram. And we still own www.groovygrazors.com. And
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We are doing a seed giveaway right now on my built from dirt farm page and some one-on-one consulting. So if you guys are looking for your group, then definitely add yourself in. We're going to be doing lots of freebie classes and courses, just getting the hive mind going. Okay. I will put the link to the new group show notes for you so people can find the giveaway and get involved. Thank you. As always, people can find me at a tinyhomesteadpodcast.com.
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And if you want to support the podcast financially, cause I could use some help, um go to atanihomestead.com slash support. Morgan, thank you for taking the time to catch me up on what's going on with you. Cause I saw stuff on Facebook and I was like, what is she doing now? I'm not sure about this. Yeah. Thanks for having me. Thank you guys for listening. I'm sure we'll chat in the spring sometime soon about all the new stuff we've been doing. We have to.
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That's all there is to it. We've got to make it happen. All right. Thank you, Morgan. Thank you. Bye.