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In this episode, Kim chats with Martina, a dog trainer from Italy, about the complex relationship between dogs—especially Border Collies—and livestock. From early training and predatory instincts to international standards in dog training, they dive deep into what it really takes to raise a dog who can safely coexist with sheep and other animals.

Martina shares her journey into dog training, starting with her own Collies, Abigail and Moss, and how they shaped her approach to training. The conversation explores working drive, breed traits, training recall and impulse control, and how to prevent dogs from chasing livestock—a crucial yet often overlooked skill in responsible dog ownership.

They also explore the differences in how Italy and the UK approach professional dog training, the importance of early and consistent training, and why ignoring distractions is just as important as recall.

If you’re a dog owner, trainer, or behaviour enthusiast—especially with a high-drive or herding breed—this episode is packed with insight, experience, and practical tips.

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