Saab's Michael Brasseur is joined by Brennan Grignon, a longtime defence and industrial-policy leader, for a wide-ranging conversation about resilience, scale, and the unglamorous realities that shape national security outcomes.

Recorded as Brennan comes out of stealth as CEO & Co-Founder of Vantive, the discussion traces her journey from the Pentagon and COVID-era supply chain response efforts to a broader reflection on what the future of defence and security really depends on.