Welcome to the fifth episode in our series on Communication, Nonverbal Communication (With Ben Wharton)!

On this episode, John and Matt talk to brother of John, Ben Wharton, about nonverbal communication, how John lives his life and why Pittsburgh gets a bad rap.

Many thanks to Go On Productions for engineering our podcast, Candice Gallmeyer and Austin Radford for our theme song and Ana Elezovic for our killer logo.