Human-Centered Security

Complexity Undermines Security With Bill Bonney, Gary Hayslip, and Matt Stamper


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What do CISOs have to say about the security tools their teams use?:

“When we introduce a level of complexity in the system, it undermines security. Every moment wasted trying to use a tool effectively benefits the adversary.” - Matt Stamper


In this episode, we talk to cybsecurity leaders Bill Bonney, Gary Hayslip, and Matt Stamper about:

  • The ever-evolving role of the CISO and what CISOs care about most.
  • What product teams designing security software need to understand:
    • Security tools need to operate across varied ecosystems (which means your product team needs to understand those ecosystems).
    • Complexity is the enemy of security. Yes, UX matters.
    • Context-switching means security teams waste time. Instead, security tools need to present the right information at the right time.
    • Why CISOs are excited to leverage AI in security tools—and what concerns them the most.

Bill Bonney, Gary Hayslip, and Matt Stamper are seasoned CISOs and cybersecurity leaders. They are co-founders of the CISO Desk Reference Guide—a series of books including topics such as security policy, third-party risk, privacy, and incident response—which provide actionable insights for security leaders.

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