A conversation with Dr. Mikayel Zolyan whose expertise includes the politics of memory, nationalism and democratization in post-Soviet societies about moving beyond the constructs put in place by the first administrations of independent Armenia: Kocharyan’s “outsourcing” of security, Sargsyan's pantheon of nationalist idols and now, the beginnings of a civic nation where citizenship with all its attributes is becoming one of the cornerstones of statehood.