For 12 years, the US denied any civilian casualties from its air strikes in Somalia. But monitoring groups tell us that doesn't match the reality on the ground — air strikes are increasing. We hear from one Somali journalist who laid that disconnect bare at the feet of the US military, and from two researchers working to uncover the human toll.

In this episode:

Mohamed Osman Abdi (@MohamedOsma4), journalist at Somalia National News; Abdullahi Hassan (@abdullahisom1), researcher for Amnesty International in Nairobi, Kenya; Chris Woods (@chrisjwoods), the founder and director of Airwars.

For more:

US admits killing civilians during air attacks in Somalia

A family mourns as US drone attacks in Somalia continue

US air strike kills telecom worker in Somalia

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