When Stephen started going out to gay bars, he was immediately made to feel like a Black visitor in a predominantly white gay world. When Femi was socializing in queer spaces during and after college, she was struck by how it was segregated by race in the south and by gender in the north.

In this episode, Phil and Alex listen to Stephen and Femi’s story and discuss the race, racism and gender in the LGBTQ social scene, the need for safe spaces, and what it truly means to be an ally to the Black community.