John and Jerod engage in a lively conversation over the meaning of the phrase "led captivity captive" in Ephesians 4:7-13.

Additional Scripture references: Hebrews 12:22, Revelation 13:10, 2 Corinthians 10:5, Romans 7:23 and Judges 5:12

Program: Biblically Speaking

Aired: January 17, 2015