In the early 70s, the idea of having not only one, but three sequels to the same film, was unheard of. But original producer Arthur P Jacob’s was determined to break new ground by making the fourth Planet of the Apes film, with the intent of having it be the franchise’s last.

But with the only returning cast members Ricardo Montalbaun and Roddy McDowall -the latter playing a different character than he had in past films- what kind of quality could Conquest of the Planet of the Apes carry? And is it really the film that 2011’s Rise of the Planet of the Apes remade?

Listen to Matt, Adam, and Garrett as they dissect those questions, and Matt gets from the other two how this first time watch was for them.