Michael Stewart sits down (in his parents' basement) to talk with John Ortberg about an extremely important section of The Divine Conspiracy. They get into the nature of persons, having wills, having bodies, what's at the end of your rope, Frank Laubach, finding God's kingdom in life and in the Bible, eschatology and New Testament guilds and how to not be a Willard-ite. [Sorry, by the way, for the bad audio around 48 minutes in!] BE INFORMED and PRAY for us better by signing up for the Sanctus newsletter: https://sanctus.institute