Constant Wonder

This week we’re doing something a little different. Instead of a new Constant Wonder episode, we’re sharing an episode from our BYUradio neighbors at “Voiceover: Movies That Move Us.”

On "Constant Wonder," our host, Marcus Smith, chases awe in the natural world, in science, and in history and art. Movies can give us that feeling too, sometimes in ways that feel almost sacred and sometimes in ways that feel terrifying. In this episode, host Heather Bigley, a film scholar and former teacher, explores how film creates awe. She moves from “2001: A Space Odyssey” and “Baraka” to “Nosferatu” and “Omaha,” then into space with “Interstellar,” “Contact,” “Sunshine,” and “Project Hail Mary.” Along the way she asks what these films reveal about faith, mystery, mortality, and feeling small in a very large universe.

Spoilers for the films discussed.

Guest: Heather Bigley

Find more of “Voiceover: Movies That Move Us” wherever you get your podcasts. "Constant Wonder" will be back in your feed next week.

https://www.byuradio.org/voiceover-movies-that-move-us

https://open.spotify.com/show/4QKTM1hB6u8Sz80zlNzPRY?si=73943b4d1f3c442b

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/voiceover-movies-that-move-us/id1814468656?i=1000798119864

A chance encounter with milkweed changes Allison Fragakis' life and soothes her grief over her mother's death. In this episode of Constant Wonder, Tennery Taylor explores how a variety of mystical experiences keep Allison's deceased mother close.

Throughout history, butterflies have been seen as a symbol of change and rebirth, and Allison unexpectedly finds herself undergoing her own transformation: what initially seems like a failed attempt to cultivate milkweed turns into a source of connection and creativity.

Guest: Allison Fragakis, songwriter, author, artist, and poet writingallison.com

Special thanks to guitarist Cassidy Fragakis.

Hosts Marcus Smith and Tennery Taylor explore some of our favorite lost-and-found stories from previous episodes of Constant Wonder.

Join Mensun Bound as he searches the Antarctic seabed for a ship frozen in time, experiencing the wonder—and perils—that Shackleton and his crew faced as they fought to stay alive in some of the harshest conditions on Earth. Follow Mas Masumoto as he reconnects with Shizuko, a long-lost aunt with an intellectual disability. Mas learns of the heartache of separation endured when his family was sent to Japanese internment camps. He also celebrates the joys and sacrifices of the caretakers who grew to love and adjust to the mischievous and lighthearted Shizuko. Finally, search with Pico Iyer who, after a fire takes his childhood home and nearly his life, looks for peace in simplicity and silence. He finds it in an old, humble monastery in Central California, where peace is a natural consequence of years of worship.

Guests:

Mensun Bound, marine archeologist and author of “The Ship Beneath the Ice”

David “Mas” Masumoto, farmer and author of “Secret Harvests: A Hidden Story of Separation and the Resilience of a Family Farm”

Pico Iyer, journalist and author of “Aflame: Learning from Silence”

Chapters:

(0:00) The Search for Shackleton’s Ship

(13:42) The Breath of Shackleton on Your Neck: The Ship is Found

(24:16) An Unexpected Call: Learning the Lost History of an Estranged Aunt

(36:44) Throwing Coffee and a Joyful Reunion

(47:06)  ”My House Burnt Down. I Can Now See Better the Rising Moon."

(51:36) The Strength of Silence: Time Spent in a Secluded Monastery

After the death of a close friend, Erica Buist found herself consumed by anxiety about dying. In this episode of Constant Wonder, she tells host Marcus Smith how she set out to face that fear by visiting death festivals around the world, and found more celebration than mourning.

From the Day of the Dead in Mexico to a rollicking festival in Madagascar where she gets hit in the head with a corpse, Erica explores the bonds between the living and the dead. She visits a cow festival in Nepal and the mummies of Sicily, and asks why Western cultures are so somber about death, and what we can learn from the carnival atmosphere of these celebrations.

Guest: Erica Buist, journalist and author of This Party's Dead: Grief, Joy and Spilled Rum at the World's Death Festivals

Originally aired August 31, 2022

Chapters:

 (0:00) Erica Buist and death anxiety

 (8:07) Confronting death close to home

 (16:31) Day of the Dead in Mexico

 (23:14) Gai Jatra, Nepal's cow festival

 (29:33) The mummies of Sicily

 (34:08) Love after death

George Forster didn't begin life as a revolutionary. He was an 18th-century botanist whose life ended in Paris during the Reign of Terror. In this episode, historian Andrea Wulf tells host Marcus Smith about how, as a teenager, Forster sailed with Captain James Cook through the Southern Hemisphere and around Antarctica. Forster developed a transcendent love for the people he met along the way. And, as Andrea Wulf followed in his footsteps, she felt the distance of 250 years collapse on itself.

George Forster grew up helping to support his family as his father’s assistant in botany and later on as a translator. When he got the chance to travel on a voyage to the southern hemisphere, he studied the wildlife and the people he met, fascinated by everything from phosphorescence to islanders' ingenious toolmaking. On his return to Europe, he brought new ideas about social equality, developed through observations of South Pacific cultures. Ultimately, though, his political activism led to his personal ruin. But to Andrea Wulf, Forster represents hope, progress, and the power of a singular mind.

Guest: Andrea Wulf, historian and author of “The Traveler: One Man’s Quest for Humanity from the South Seas to Revolutionary Paris” andreawulf.com

Tim Kovar leads climbing tours high up in the canopy of massive trees. In this episode of Constant Wonder, he tells host Marcus Smith about how he used to fell trees as an arborist. But now, he's traded in his chainsaw for ropes and climbing saddles; so, instead of cutting trees down, he can take regular people high into old-growth canopies to experience unparalleled views of nature.  The trees have taught him to be more in tune with the natural world and with himself.

Tim Kovar has been climbing trees since he was a kid, when he pretended to be a master tree ninja. But these days, you'll find him climbing slowly and carefully, using a system of ropes and harnesses and always asking the tree for permission first. He quit cutting trees down after felling a centuries-old tree and hearing it cry out for help. Now, he finds a sacred peace up in the treetops, and helps others to discover it as well.

Guest: Tim Kovar, Master Tree Climbing Instructor treeclimbingplanet.com

Lea Korsgaard felt a tug toward the natural world and followed it, setting out to find all 64 species of butterfly in her native Denmark. What began as an impulse became a consuming quest that transformed her understanding of nature, mortality, grief, and joy. In this episode, Lea and host Marcus Smith revisit the journey: the small tortoiseshell butterfly that connected her to her mother’s story, the family members drawn into her search, and the exhilaration of finding out that maybe her quest hadn't been about butterflies at all.

Their conversation explores how learning to see the natural world can open us to realities larger than ourselves—and how encounters with nature can hold grief and joy at the same time.

Guest: Lea Korsgaard, author of "The Butterfly Season: What 64 Butterflies Taught Me About Nature’s Great Mysteries and the Meaning of Life"

Karl Gönner was a Nazi, and his family didn't ask a lot of questions about that time in his life. In this episode of Constant Wonder, Gönner's grandson Burkhard Bilger speaks with co-host Tennery Taylor about his search for the full story of his grandfather's past.

After growing up with only a vague understanding of his grandfather's dark history, Bilger decided to search for the full truth behind his heritage. He discovered that during his grandfather's time occupying a French village, Gönner saved dozens of lives from Nazi oppression, while simultaneously leading the Hitler Youth Program. This family's history is more inspiring than they'd ever suspected.

Guest: Burkhard Bilger, author of "Fatherland: A Memoir of War, Conscience, and Family Secrets" and staff writer at "The New Yorker"

Originally aired on August 8, 2023

Chapters:

(0:00) Meet Nazi Karl Gönner through his grandson Burkhard Bilger

(9:40) Karl Gönner as a teacher

(14:20) A Nazi in occupied France

(23:08) Discovering the "reasonable" Nazi

(31:14) Gönner's daughter and her struggle with his history

(38:10) The End of WWII

(48:12) Serendipitous inspiration in classified archives

As a teenager, Walt McLaughlin told his parents he'd been talking to God in the woods, and he ended up in a psychiatric ward on Thorazine. Years later a philosophy degree had done nothing to assuage his existential anxiety, so he hitchhiked west — and eventually flew alone into Alaska's Endicott River Wilderness with a .44, no radio, and two-and-a-half-weeks worth of food.

On this episode of Constant Wonder, the writer and erstwhile hiking guide tells host Marcus Smith how a death wish that had shadowed him since adolescence finally broke — on a rain-soaked escarpment, with a raven croaking at him from a branch — and how he came to accept that the world is harsh yet beautiful. Walt McLaughlin lives in northern Vermont, close to the New England woods and wilds he loves. There he's proprietor of the small indie press Wood Thrush Books, online at woodthrushbooks.com.

This episode includes a first-person account of depression and a suicide attempt.

Guest: Walt McLaughlin, publisher and author, “Cultivating the Wildness Within”; “Arguing with the Wind: A Journey into the Alaskan Wilderness”; and “Confronting the Unknowable: Essays on God, Nature and Being Human”

What if protecting humans is the key to protecting wildlife? In this episode, Dr. Gladys Kalema-Zikusoka tells host Marcus Smith how people living near African nature preserves can unknowingly pass illnesses to nearby mountain gorillas—and how she's working with local communities to shield these endangered animals from disease and habitat loss.

As Uganda's first wildlife veterinarian, Kalema-Zikusoka pioneered the use of "One Health" in gorilla conservation—an approach that treats human, animal, and environmental health as interconnected, rather than separate concerns. By investing in the health and economic security of nearby communities, she keeps gorillas healthy too. The payoff is a thriving gorilla tourism industry that benefits the entire country.

Guest: Dr. Gladys Kalema-Zikusoka, founder and CEO of Conservation Through Public Health and author of "Walking with Gorillas: The Journey of an African Wildlife Vet"

Chapters:

(0:00) Meet Dr. Gladys Kalema-Zikusoka

(8:28) A Lonely Childhood

(17:29) To Become a Wildlife Vet

(22:46) Bwindi Impenetrable Forest

(32:44) What is One Health?

(46:27) How to End Poaching

Photo credit: Jo-Anne McArthur / #unboundproject / We Animals Media

Originally aired May 24, 2023

Note: Dr. Gladys Kalema-Zikusoka's mother, Canon Hon . Rhoda Kalema, passed away in 2025.