Contested Logistics Reimagined: The Case for Dual-Use Air Systems | The Pair Program Ep91

In this episode of The Pair Program, we’re joined by Arthur Dubois, CEO of Grid Aero, and Lt. Gen. (Ret.) Leonard Kosinski, Chief Strategy Officer at Air Space Intelligence. From autonomous aircraft to AI-powered logistics, they break down how supply chains are being rethought for a world where speed, scale, and resilience are critical. The conversation dives into what’s broken today, and how founders and operators are building systems that can actually keep up.

In this conversation, we get into:

• Why logistics is becoming the limiting factor in modern operations
• How contested logistics is changing the way systems are designed
• The trade-offs between building advanced tech vs. building at scale
• What autonomy actually looks like in aviation today
• How AI is helping teams make faster, better decisions

About Lt. Gen. (Ret.) Leonard Kosinski: Leonard is a retired U.S. Air Force lieutenant general and Chief Strategy Officer at Air Space Intelligence. Over a 30+ year career, he led global logistics and multinational operations, including his final role on the Joint Staff shaping logistics for the Department of Defense. He also serves as a Senior Fellow at the National Defense University.

About Arthur Dubois: Arthur is the CEO of Grid Aero and an aerospace engineer focused on autonomous aircraft and next-generation flight systems. He has led aircraft programs from concept through flight and helped scale teams at companies like Joby Aviation. He previously led engineering at Xwing, working on advanced autonomy systems.

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