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Agent Governance in Production: Control, Observability, and Human-Centered AI with Logan Kelly
Logan Kelly, CEO and co-founder of Waxell.ai, discusses building a governance, observability, and runtime control layer for AI agents in production so autonomous systems remain reliable, auditable, and aligned with business and ethical constraints.
Drawing on experience running autonomous sales agents at scale, he argues governance should sit above agents to avoid boilerplate, prevent bypasses, and let operations, finance, security, and frontline teams shape behavior without shipping new code. The conversation covers how governance can start with cost and quality controls, expand into runtime enforcement, and help organizations move faster through better visibility and safer adjustments.
They also address risks of employees bringing third-party agents into corporate environments, the need for organizational ownership and culture, and a future focused on augmenting humans with multiple agents rather than replacing workers.
00:00 Agent Governance Overview
00:53 Formative Lessons in AI
03:39 Why Governance Sits Above
05:50 What Customers Want First
07:07 Governance Helps You Move
10:19 Shadow Agents and Security
12:44 Who Owns the AI
15:26 AI Hype and Economics
19:32 Augmentation Not Replacement
25:42 Outcomes Over Process
28:58 Orchestration Over Copilots
30:02 Building The AI Foundation
31:05 Who Owns AI
33:12 Adoption And Culture
36:04 AI Needs Imagination
38:01 AI As A Skill
41:11 Guiding Teens For AI
48:53 Human Communication Edge
50:21 Five Year Agent Future
52:52 Cycling And Ambitions
https://waxell.ai/
By Andrew PhippsAgent Governance in Production: Control, Observability, and Human-Centered AI with Logan Kelly
Logan Kelly, CEO and co-founder of Waxell.ai, discusses building a governance, observability, and runtime control layer for AI agents in production so autonomous systems remain reliable, auditable, and aligned with business and ethical constraints.
Drawing on experience running autonomous sales agents at scale, he argues governance should sit above agents to avoid boilerplate, prevent bypasses, and let operations, finance, security, and frontline teams shape behavior without shipping new code. The conversation covers how governance can start with cost and quality controls, expand into runtime enforcement, and help organizations move faster through better visibility and safer adjustments.
They also address risks of employees bringing third-party agents into corporate environments, the need for organizational ownership and culture, and a future focused on augmenting humans with multiple agents rather than replacing workers.
00:00 Agent Governance Overview
00:53 Formative Lessons in AI
03:39 Why Governance Sits Above
05:50 What Customers Want First
07:07 Governance Helps You Move
10:19 Shadow Agents and Security
12:44 Who Owns the AI
15:26 AI Hype and Economics
19:32 Augmentation Not Replacement
25:42 Outcomes Over Process
28:58 Orchestration Over Copilots
30:02 Building The AI Foundation
31:05 Who Owns AI
33:12 Adoption And Culture
36:04 AI Needs Imagination
38:01 AI As A Skill
41:11 Guiding Teens For AI
48:53 Human Communication Edge
50:21 Five Year Agent Future
52:52 Cycling And Ambitions
https://waxell.ai/