A conversation that drifts toward the emptiness that follows achievement and the realization that the goalposts always move.

This leads to an exploration of heretical ideas: the subversive concepts others avoid. A new pursuit emerges, one that promises an end to seeking but demands the sacrifice of past accomplishments. It’s about the tension between the comfort of the known and the necessity of dismantling the self, even when instinct fights to hold on.

The discussion touches on:

- Resistance as a reason to begin.

- Freedom exposing the void.

- Gravitating toward the unacceptable.

- The conflict between the reptilian brain and intellectual necessity.

- The hope for a final goal.