In this 23 minute conversation Jacques and Peter respond to the question posed in the 1st episode - what is a new story for our economy? As such we explore the 'story' of a caring economy - and riffing off the new book The Dawn of Everything: A New History of Humanity by David Graeber and David Wengrow, Jacques provides an historical overview and invites us to think about a different kind of relationality - with one another and nature.