... What Really Drives a Founder

Most people celebrate the founder story once it’s polished.

But this episode isn’t about the exit. It’s about everything you had to survive before you even started.

In Conversation No. 024, I sit down with my close friend Ryan Shank—entrepreneur, operator, and builder—to unpack what’s underneath the hustle. We talk about childhood wounds, chasing validation, leadership, therapy, identity, and the personal cost of building something that lasts.

We get into the mental and emotional side of business, what profit sharing really means, how to lead with empathy, and the grit it takes to face your past and still show up as a CEO.

Listen in if you’ve ever questioned whether you’re building from purpose… or pain.

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