You thought the surf forecasting app was enough. It ain't. In this episode, we chat with Tobias Work, creator of Swellify, about why surf forecasting is so hard, and why even the best surf apps can only get you so far. We talk Surfline vs. "Surf Lies," swell height vs. surf height, cams, crowds, local knowledge, and why experienced surfers read forecasts completely differently from beginners.​