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Ben Applebee, another one of DeCruz's old friends, joins the Big Brown Army to chat about American Christianity, pastoring a congregation during these difficult times, and where we go from here.

Ben is Associate Pastor at Watermark OC in Orange County. He and his wife Rylee are parents to eight children. Ben also hosts "The Applebee Way" podcast. You can follow him at @applebeezy on Instagram.