In this episode, I spoke with Dr. Joshua Liao, Professor and Chief of the William T. and Gay F. Solomon Division of General Internal Medicine at UT Southwestern Medical Center and Founder of the Program on Policy Evaluation & Learning (PROPEL). With a focus on reducing health disparities and enhancing patient care through innovative payment models, Dr. Liao provided insights into care delivery and the role of policy in shaping equitable health outcomes. We explored his journey in medicine, the challenges and successes he's encountered, and his vision for the future of healthcare.