And this is the kind of conversation you’re having with Cleopas on that 7 mile road trip, and it’s a really tough, but really interesting conversation and all of a sudden there’s this stranger who’s talking too but his voice is so compelling that you don’t really care that you don’t know the guy because he’s adding so much depth and ideas to your conversation. And you’re still walking, and that 7 mile walk, even at a good pace, is taking  you a good couple of hours, and yet it seems like minutes as the time passes and you get deeper and deeper into the details of this conversation.