Fantastic conversation with these two, re: thoughtfully interacting with the biblical concept of justice, recognizing injustice, repenting of our apathy, educating our children and enlarging their hearts, and a lot more. But, in sum, imitating Jesus “who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant...(Philippians 2:5-7).