<div>Long time team manager John Payne joins Callum for an interesting insight after being involved with the club for more than 20 years.</div><p>See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.</p>

Long time team manager John Payne joins Callum for an interesting insight after being involved with the club for more than 20 years.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Long time team manager John Payne joins Callum for an interesting insight after being involved with the club for more than 20 years.<p>See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="noopener noreferrer">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.</p>

Conversations with Cal - John Payne

Sydney Swans ruckman Callum Sinclair speaks with teammates, former players and club ambassadors for a rare insight into their lives.

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