Participant #1:

Hi, Kyira. I'm here with Kyira, and I'm going to tell you a little bit about her. So, she is a mental health therapist and speaker, has a master's degree in counselling psychology, and works in the mental health field since 2012. In 2017, was awarded the Score American Small Business Award for her work in mental health and for her work with her community project. Very impressive. Now, who else is Kira?

Participant #2

Yeah, I don't think I'm ever going to get comfortable when someone's reading your bio and you're steering it right next to me because you're like, okay. But also, I love the question of who are you besides these couple of bullet points, because I know we're going to talk a little bit about shame today. And one of the ways that our views of self gets so limited is when we only see ourselves as a few bullet points, whether those are good, bad, or neutral. But when you sort of reduce the human experience to a few things. So, yeah, I am a therapist. Like you said, a business owner. I'm a mom. My daughter turned two at the end of February. So mom to a toddler. And I would say that is my biggest journey of learning and experiencing and probably the most exciting iteration of shame work that I've done as a person so far. I live in Portland, Oregon. I'm married to my husband, Jordan. And one of the things I'm Super pumped to be here about today is to just have these conversations around money and shame and this idea of how money, which is one of our three resources, time, money, and energy, how money can be such a freeing and such an inhibiting experience and commodity. And I would say just person to person. I'm here on a level of someone that's learning to work through that. What that means. How money paints our energy, our scarcity mindsets around time, and uncovering the ways that that impacts and or can move forward some of the choices and the values that we have.

Awesome. On this podcast, I talk about money. I talk about getting out of debt. I talk about behaviours and mindset. And because I've been on that journey myself, for the sake of this episode, we will just focus on me. It's safer that way. And at least I know what it was like for me. And again, there's a lot of shame when I talk to people about it. And they don't tell the truth because they're ashamed. They either have a lot of money or they don't have money or they have debt and they don't know how the other person is going to react. They feel judged. That's what I felt back when. So in 2012, we were Portuguese and we lived in Portugal. And in 2012, my husband lost his job and the economy was crashing and not everything was kind of going bad everywhere. So he lost his job. He got another job where he was earning less than a third of what he was making before. And we couldn't make ends meet. I was working. We have three kids. It was very, very hard. So we had to emigrate to get better paying jobs, to try to get out of all that debt and try to save our house and everything. We ended up losing everything. And at the time, I was ashamed. I don't know if I was a little bit ashamed, but I was having a victim mentality. Nothing was my fault. It was the economy. My group of friends just left us because we didn't have any money, so they didn't want to be our friends. But this was eleven years ago...

https://amzn.to/3vAHCCw the link to the book Kyira mentioned in the podcast

photo credit to 📷 by Annika Bielig Bussman of SOULBASE

You can find Kyira 👉 www.adversityrising.com

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