The Gemara in Chagiga 4b recounts some of Rav Bibi’s conversations with the Malach Ha'maves. This episode develops the idea that these conversations are a parable for Rav Bibi working through the area of justice in the context of a well-known story about the death of Mary. In the course of the discussion, this episode also discusses the idea of Mazal (the topic/title of an earlier podcast episode).