Dom & Collin kickoff the episode by discussing the Penn State loss to Michigan and how a team like the Nittany Lions measure themselves in no mans land of the Big Ten. This then transitions the conversation to both the 4 team and 12 team playoff and how measure stick wins affect these conversations and why we need something like a Big Ten SEC Challenge moving forward with the 12 team playoff being implemented. The pod is then closed out with some NFL tiers talk.