The episode features Kesaya Baba, who is heading up WWF Australia's delegation to the COP, and Mark Tilly, Asia Pacific editor of Carbon Pulse. There's excellent comments and insights from both.

Yes, Trump's election win has damaged the mood of the COP, and the damage might extend beyond the atmospherics to some key issues that are the focus of the negotiations, as Mark explains.

But not everything is about Trump. Progress can still be made. Others could step up. And, as Kesaya says, limiting temperature rise to 1.5 degrees is not a lost cause.

Oh, and thanks to podcasting news service PodNews for listing Track Changes as a new and noteworthy podcast!