"There's so much deference to police around everything to do with public safety. What they say is taken as gospel without question, without requiring proof of concept, without requiring any kind of accountability for when what they're saying actually doesn't line up with the facts or people's experiences," says author and organizer Andrea Ritchie. In this episode of Movement Memos, Andrea and Kelly discuss Ritchie's new book, No More Police, co-authored with Mariame Kaba, and talk about how copaganda "shapes our imagination about what policing is, what it's doing, what it's not doing, and the necessity of it."

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