Harry talks to Anne Applebaum about the Trump administration's chaotic and slanted approach to ending the war in Ukraine. Applebaum exposes the perverse heavily pro-Russian underpinnings of the U.S. plan that kicked off the latest round of talks. After contrasting Ukraine's repudiation of corruption with Trump's embrace of it, the pair zoom out to discuss the global battle for democracy and what's still at stake on the frontlines in Eastern Europe. Plus, a bonus: a discussion with Ruth Ben-Ghiat, on the rise of authoritarians around the world, and their shared tactics.

Mentioned in this episode:

Applebaum's Substack: https://anneapplebaum.substack.com/

Applebaum's writing for the Atlantic: https://www.theatlantic.com/author/anne-applebaum/

Ruth Ben-Ghiat's Substack: https://lucid.substack.com/

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