Counter-Points

Thorin and Maniac discuss results from IEM Cologne, why SAW are being overrated, the electrifying FaZe win over Team Liquid, what Vitality need to do to win the event, what another title would mean for NAVI, and more.

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Thorin and Maniac discuss narratives around IEM Cologne and BLAST Fall Groups, why Team Spirit may be the best team in the world right now, a change that NAVI needs to consider, issues at FaZe, and more.

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Thorin and Maniac discuss massive roster moves at Team Liquid and G2, past clues that Twistzz intended to IGL eventually, why NiKo made the correct decision to not IGL for G2, the rumored Cloud9 roster, the competitive mentality for ZywOo and other French players, and more.

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Thorin and Maniac are joined by caster Chad "SPUNJ" Burchill to discuss the state of Counter-strike esports, roster moves at G2, why Team Spirit could be the best team in the world, the potential for superstar players to play with each other on the same team, ZywOo continuing to choke, whether NAVI made a mistake in keeping their lineup together, and more.

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Thorin and Maniac discuss cadiaN's departure from Team Liquid, sh1ro's strong performances being overshadowed by donk, the dynamics of Team Spirit, a point on Vitality from the latest episode of Snake and Banter with Richard Lewis, and more!

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Thorin and Maniac discuss recent showings from Vitality, Team Spirit, and G2, ZywOo falling in yet another big final, donk getting cooked at IEM Dallas, Stewie2k's performance as a stand-in, potential paths forward for G2, and more.

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Thorin and Maniac discuss ESL Pro League Grand Finals between MOUZ and Vitality, the skill that s1mple has always used that ZywOo needs to pick up on, Vitality's chances at winning the Shanghai Major, hype around the current Astralis lineup, blameF joining Fnatic, pro and community takes on dev1ce , and more.

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Thorin and Maniac discuss results from ESL Pro League, a roster rumor that degster will replace nicodoz on HEROIC, narratives surrounding "toxic" and "nice players, hallzerk and Complexity's recent performances, expectations for MOUZ at this event, and more!

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Thorin and Maniac discuss results from ESL Pro League, Astralis returning to exciting form, Team Falcons' slump & why fans need to give the roster more time, potential problems at Virtus.pro with electroNic, continued strong performances by The MongolZ, and more.

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Thorin and Maniac discuss some what if scenarios for the recent PGL Major, roster rumors surrounding m0NESY and Cloud9, the current status of G2, ZywOo and Vitality's performances this year, the strength of the CIS region, and more.

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