Betsy Gregory spent nearly a decade as Head of People and Culture at Congressional Country Club, led HR and talent development at the executive level, and then did something that took everything she preaches — she left it all to start over. Now, as Founder of Unbridled Courage Consulting, she works with CEOs and leadership teams to build the systems, culture, and people strategies that actually hold.

In this episode, Betsy makes the case that courage isn't a feeling. It's what happens when you care deeply enough that doing nothing stops being an option. She and Lindsay dig into why values have to come before systems, what separates empathy from compassion in leadership, and why the leaders who build the strongest teams are the ones willing to go first — even when it's uncomfortable.

If you've ever felt the pit in your stomach and talked yourself out of it, this one's for you.