This conversation took place on the evening of a day Americans will remember for a long time. We open with a quotation from William's talk, "The Consciousness of Now", given on September 20, 2020. This conversation may appear a bit disjointed as we work through our reactions to the events of the day and put things into as large a context as we can. We reference a talk on C.G. Jung's conception of the Shadow by Carole Taylor of the Faculty of Astrological Studies (FAS), London. Definitely worth listening to if FAS ever make it available.

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