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What if most of the economy can be automated without anything we’d call real general intelligence? That provocative idea launches a candid tour with Ben Goertzel through the difference between LLM “breadth” and the kind of generalization that marks true AGI. We unpack why today’s models are powerful yet limited, how they’ll reshape work in the near term, and what ingredients are missing for systems that reason, invent, and move beyond the data that formed them.

We dig into a practical path forward: blending deep neural networks with logic engines, evolutionary learning, and a massive knowledge graph so each part amplifies the others. Ben shares how the Hyperon framework and the ASI chain bring AI on-chain, not just coordinated by it. That means a new AGI language, MeTTa, serving as a smart contract language, enabling formal verification, rich composability, and an integrated reputation layer. Together, these tools aim to embed trust into the stack while opening the door to decentralized AI networks that resist capture by any single company or state.

Culture, narrative, and emotion matter just as much as code. A robot-led band nearly got booed off stage until the performance was reframed as exploration, not replacement—proof that context shapes how people accept new tools. We follow that thread into creativity, where AI can mix stems, spark ideas, and widen access for musicians, even as some roles compress. The larger question becomes not whether AI can do the job, but what humans will choose to do for meaning, connection, and joy. Along the way, we weigh openness versus control through a proactionary lens and point you to resources to explore decentralized, trustworthy AI.

If this conversation challenged your assumptions or sparked new ones, follow the show, share it with a friend, and leave a quick review to help others find it. Your thoughts shape where we go next—what part of decentralized AGI are you most curious about?

This episode was recorded at Web Summit in Lisbon on November 13, 2025. Read the blog article and show notes here: https://webdrie.net/creating-benevolent-decentralized-agi-at-singularitynet/

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