Before American Hostile Championship Wrestling in New Madrid, MO, Caleb sits down to talk with independent wrestling referee and good friend Jerry Looney a.k.a. Sanchez Hernandez. Jerry talks about how he got started as a referee, the different roles he plays for different promotions such as CCW & TIWF, his favorite moments so far, and places he would like to go in the future. We also talk about our mutual liking for SCU, Austin Lane, Nikki Lane, Billie Starkz, and others before Four Sides is YET AGAIN rudely interrupted by an UNWELCOME guest!!!!!