In the last episode of 2021, Clay Grubb, CEO of Grubb Properties based in Charlotte, NC joins Cameron and Laura to discuss Clay’s career growing up in the family business (including his time as a 12-year-old mortgage collector), why cars are the enemy of affordable housing, the need for more essential housing, and how solutions truly do come from all sides of the political spectrum. Plus, what role did Lexington BBQ play in ending the Cold War? And, we debut a new question: if you were a vending machine, what would you vend?

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