In Episode 4 we're in conversation with Mike McCurry. From 1995 to 1998, McCurry was the White House Press Secretary for the Clinton administration. Today he is the Director for the Center for Public Theology at Wesley Theological Seminary. McCurry shares his five C's for effective communication, how to leave room for disagreement and more.

• Course Syllabus for Church, Politics, & Race in a Polarized Society from Wesley Seminary
• Mike McCurry's 5 C's of Communication, Washington Post
• Media Relations Handbook for Agencies, Associations, Nonprofits, and Congress By Brad Fitch
• Mike McCurry answers follow-up questions from Missouri clergy