In this episode of A Splash More, Hayley sits down with Ami Desai and Robyn Nissim — two women who have built their careers around showing up, sharing their voices, and navigating visibility — for a conversation about the often unspoken phase of growth that stops so many people before they begin.

They unpack the idea of “Cringe Mountain” — that uncomfortable space between where you are and where you’re going — and explore why so many people turn back when things start to feel awkward or uncertain.

This episode explores the fear of being seen, the pressure to feel ready before starting, and the reality that confidence is built through action, not before it.

A conversation about growth, visibility, and learning how to keep going even when it feels uncomfortable.