We know culture is important. But building the right culture is not always easy. What does it look like to build really healthy culture, and to challenge dynamics or aspects of the culture that need to change? And how do the people IN the church bring influence to its culture? Scot McKnight and his daughter Laura are passionate about building healthy church cultures and together wrote two books on this subject: “A Church called Tov” and “Pivot: The priorities, practices and powers that can transform your church into a Tov Culture.” In this conversation we talk about what healthy ‘Tov’ culture looks like, how you know when a culture needs to change, and what it looks like in practice to bring something better. Their books are: “A Church Called Tov” and “Pivot” both from Tyndale publishers. The book Scott references near the end is “Being Real: The apostle Paul’s Hardship Narratives and the Stories we Tell Today.” by Philip Plyming.

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