Even smaller churches can make a big impact in the world for Christ. And there is an example tucked away in Madison, Kansas, about 22 miles south of Emporia, that serves as proof.

In his book "The Madison Effect," Gary Robbins writes about how a church in a town of 700 people has helped 16 people enter into pastoral ministry. And they did it by paying attention, listening for the Holy Spirit and working in partnership between clergy and laity. 

In this episode, Todd Seifert talks with Gary Robbins about why he wrote the book, some of the concepts he introduces and how Gary thinks churches can create a culture of call in their congregations.