This episode is a continuation of Episode 12 with Holli Kenley.  Dan and Ed ask Holli to give us more detail about her work on bullying, and particularly on methods schools, organizations, families and all of us can use to create empathy. She enlightens us of the dangerous practices of institutional bullying often used to stop bullies from hurting others. Holli gives us specific information about of how to stop the thoughtless cruelty that makes life hell for so many and may even result in bullycide.