Host Jim Lewis interviews Admiral Michael McConnell, former Director of the National Security Agency, and the second Director of National Intelligence. As head of the NSA during the early days of the internet, he helped set the path for how the U.S. intelligence community responded to the opportunities and risks of emerging digital technologies. They discuss how the nature of surveillance transformed with the emergence of the internet, how U.S. vulnerability to cyber threats has changed over time, and what needs to be done to confront the growing cyber threat posed by our nation’s adversaries.