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Philip Ingram MBE in this Episode 4 of Season 2 of the With Ingram PODCAST series talks to the wonderful Ellie Hurst from Advent IM. We berate the infosec community, look at skill set shortages, discuss C suite engagement with security and highlight the importance of communications. Whilst no bacon was harmed in the making of the PODCAST, Roy Cooper from Professional Security Magazine, did provide a bacon roll as I had missed them when I first got to his event. Well done Roy and the team.